Cheer up, Bridget, your lucky day is nigh!

Grammar schools are in no way the answer. We know so much more now about brain development. An IQ test at age eleven is no indication of ability a few years later. That sort of segregation at that age is ridiculous and unkind and useless.

Doodledog end of was meant to reinforce the fact that all children are entitled to the best learning environment. You don’t disagree I hope?

When state education is unable to educate children for whatever reason, parents have an obligation to search out educational opportunities to enable adequate levels of learning. If that means eating baked beans for years on end, so be it.

I have to have faith.
I voted labour.

MissAdventure

Private schools paying tax will improve state education.
Job done.

I only wish I had your faith that this VAT will be ringfenced for state education 🤞

ronib

vegansrock unfortunately not every headteacher was up to the job of providing a basic education for every child. You can take a child to water but you can’t make them drink was the motto of my children’s headteacher a very long time ago. So no idea at all about visual issues and reading but just a trite comment. Each child is entitled to the best learning environment whether in private or state schools. End of.

I don’t understand how the first and last bits of this post tie together.

One seems to be suggesting that different children require different approaches, and the other that only some children should be offered those differentiated approaches. Or am I misunderstanding?

And where does ‘end of’ sit in any educational philosophy? That one opinion should shut down all others?

Private schools paying tax will improve state education.
Job done.

Doodledog

The whole ‘politics of envy’ thing has to be projection. People who resent others having what they can’t afford can’t understand that not everyone feels the same.

You are jumping to conclusions…

It’s simple really improve state education, reintroduce grammar schools UK wide.

Then the only need for private education would be those with special educational needs or those who due to their parents profession require boarding schools (whether they be occasional nights, weekly or term)

There never ever will be income and lifestyle parity, if that’s what you are looking for I suggest a move to North Korea.

The whole ‘politics of envy’ thing has to be projection. People who resent others having what they can’t afford can’t understand that not everyone feels the same.

Wyllow3

MissAdventure

Of course there isn't.
The politics of equality, I'd call it.

Yes.

As simple as that.

93% of us aren't sitting around indulging in the politics of envy because a small number can afford to go to private schools

- it is what it is, but its reasonable to charge VAT on goods and services to help fund that 93% who after all like everyone need as good as education as can be given in these hard times, as all our children are the future of the country and its well-being.

Exactly so.

And Casdon

👏 Wyllow

tictacnana

The politics of envy is that of the “ I never had the chance so no one else is going to have it . “ Seems simple enough. It’s human nature - unfortunately. Virtue signalling - “ We’re going to make sure that everyone has the same chances…aren’t we magnanimous- we’re in your side. “ And that goes for private medicine too . “ Look at me … I wouldn’t pay for private medicine for MY family . Aren’t I the working class hero.” Sad really when you think about what they ARE willing to accept .

Hmm. Political ideology rather than affordability is why a lot of people don’t use private schools or private healthcare. Many of them, and us, could no doubt afford to do so if we wished. It’s just as strange that people who couldn’t possibly afford those things and who rely on state provision themselves don’t want to see improved state provision.

MissAdventure

Of course there isn't.
The politics of equality, I'd call it.

Yes.

As simple as that.

93% of us aren't sitting around indulging in the politics of envy because a small number can afford to go to private schools

- it is what it is, but its reasonable to charge VAT on goods and services to help fund that 93% who after all like everyone need as good as education as can be given in these hard times, as all our children are the future of the country and its well-being.

MissAdventure

Of course there isn't.
The politics of equality, I'd call it.

Well said, MissA.

I am far more able to recognise that in others than the so-called ‘politics of envy’.

I remember a few months ago, Bridget Phillipson, showing herself as the Master of The Politics of envy with a ridiculously divisive comment. It was something like, Our state schools need teachers more than private schools need embossed stationery. I really hope she comes up with some more educated lines in future as well as some fast solutions because this continuing rhetoric will become very tiresome.

I'm happy to listen to the reasoned opposing comments on this thread, (thank you for those), I'm willing to accept that this change on school fees was going to come eventually, and I might even change my mind on certain issues, but if BP is still banging on in the same silly manner in 3 or 4 months' time, then once again we'll be no further forward.

Of course there isn't.
The politics of equality, I'd call it.

If you choose to describe my opinion on this matter virtue signalling sobeit. For what it’s worth, my partner sent his son to private school and says that he thinks that there is no reason why private schools shouldn’t pay VAT when everybody else does.

Allira

^And to have a sense of humour, before anyone jumps down my throat.^

Ideas on what constitutes a sense of humour are variable.
Some might think that picking up other posters on their grammar is not that funny.

True.

‘Some’ may also think that deliberately misunderstanding the point of a post about the benefits of different types of education is being obtuse, too, and ‘not that funny’ either. San Fairy Ann, etc.

The politics of envy is that of the “ I never had the chance so no one else is going to have it . “ Seems simple enough. It’s human nature - unfortunately. Virtue signalling - “ We’re going to make sure that everyone has the same chances…aren’t we magnanimous- we’re in your side. “ And that goes for private medicine too . “ Look at me … I wouldn’t pay for private medicine for MY family . Aren’t I the working class hero.” Sad really when you think about what they ARE willing to accept .

Mollygo I agree, it’s called choice 👏👏👏

Friends of mine who went to a grammar, and my/their children and their friends who went to a girls’ grammar were taught that they should do something they’re good at.
Some work for British Aerospace, some are nurses and doctors, some are lawyers (my niece for example) some are teachers, some university lecturers, some social workers, some (one of my granddaughters) are Educational psychologists, some technical staff.
Some on the other hand work in retail, Some (shock horror) are SAHM doing a good job with the next generation.
It’s what you do with your education that matters, whether you’re a SAHM or doing paid work, not whether you went to a GS or not.

vegansrock unfortunately not every headteacher was up to the job of providing a basic education for every child. You can take a child to water but you can’t make them drink was the motto of my children’s headteacher a very long time ago. So no idea at all about visual issues and reading but just a trite comment. Each child is entitled to the best learning environment whether in private or state schools. End of.

Of course private education is a luxury - it’s not an essential since free state education is available - it might not be as good for your child in your opinion but it is available, plenty of people don’t have a choice. You might as well say transport is essential but I need a fast car so I should get it cheaper.

And to have a sense of humour, before anyone jumps down my throat.

Ideas on what constitutes a sense of humour are variable.
Some might think that picking up other posters on their grammar is not that funny.