Cheer up, Bridget, your lucky day is nigh!

FriedGreenTomatoes2

“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.”
^Winston Churchill^

Well said that man 👏👏👏

Doodledog if pulling me up on my use of apostrophes and plurals makes you happy, crack on…

If only we were all perfect all of the time 🤷‍♀️

Well said FGT, I wonder why so many states that start off socialist end up as dictatorships.

GrannyGravy13

Doodledog I have no idea what grammar schools you are referring to, but I can assure you that at mine in London we were taught that we could be anything we wanted to be. The emphasis on women in science, politics, medicine etc.

Many girls went on to University’s.

Where were the parent in the examples you have given?

Why did they not say something about the education of their daughter’s?

Even my rubbish comprehensive taught us about apostrophes . No idea about the parents, really. Mine taught me about plurals though.

And to have a sense of humour, before anyone jumps down my throat.

I am very much pro choice

If it’s affordable and you want to send your child/grandchild to private school then it should be available.

The same for private healthcare.

If you can afford a high end car, cleaner gardener, your own home (whatever size) even a pony why not?

To start banning things due to political ideology is dangerous, as long as something is legal and legitimately paid for and does no harm then it should be permissible.

Winston Churchill losing to Clement Attlee was as bitter as Boris Johnson when he was ousted. C’est La vie.

“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.”
Winston Churchill

Doodledog I have no idea what grammar schools you are referring to, but I can assure you that at mine in London we were taught that we could be anything we wanted to be. The emphasis on women in science, politics, medicine etc.

Many girls went on to University’s.

Where were the parent in the examples you have given?

Why did they not say something about the education of their daughter’s?

escaped

^Expectations weresolow.^
100% this in education, and it makes me cross.

The difference is, teachers in the independent sector usually have more time and resources to create a really positive learning environment with attention being given to every pupil. Addressing individual needs is key, and for that you need time in small classes. You give the pupils the best and you expect only their best in return.

I attended a London Comprehensive in the 1970s. There was an entry of 200+ pupils a year. By the 6th form there were 4 girls and 7 boys left. Like MaizieD, it was poor, actually worse than that, dire. Not one teacher knew how to encourage a love of learning, we were all just tediously marking time.

Yes, 70s education was like that.

Do we want that for everyone, to cream off those who can afford better, or to raise standards for the next generations?

I don't have to think for long to know my opinion.

Allira

Good grief!

What archaic schools some of you must have gone to.

Maybe, but that's what happens when things aren't fair.

Expectations weresolow.
100% this in education, and it makes me cross.

The difference is, teachers in the independent sector usually have more time and resources to create a really positive learning environment with attention being given to every pupil. Addressing individual needs is key, and for that you need time in small classes. You give the pupils the best and you expect only their best in return.

I attended a London Comprehensive in the 1970s. There was an entry of 200+ pupils a year. By the 6th form there were 4 girls and 7 boys left. Like MaizieD, it was poor, actually worse than that, dire. Not one teacher knew how to encourage a love of learning, we were all just tediously marking time.

Thank you

Good grief!

What archaic schools some of you must have gone to.

15.04 pm. Excellent post Doodledog

MaizieD

^A friend of mine went to a girls' grammar and boasts about her 'excellent education', despite leaving at 15 with no qualifications.^

I had to smile wryly at that, Doodledog. I went to one of the 'four remaining grammar schools' in Essex, only during the 1960s and, quite frankly, it was very poor. I have a feeling that a number of the teachers weren't even teacher trained.

I think most of us got a few 'O' levels, but the number who left at 16, about 2 thirds of the 3 form entry, was very bad considering that nowadays we would all have been considered to be top university material. Expectations were so low.

So, I'm not a huge advocate of grammar schools...

Friends of mine who went to the girls' grammar say that they were taught to be wives who stayed at home, not educated to have careers. It was assumed that they would marry men who would 'keep them', so they didn't need to be educated to the point of qualifications. Most of them left early, didn't work for more than the couple of years it took them to find a husband and rested on their grammar school laurels for decades.

To an extent, that's what happened at the comprehensive I went to. Girls in the 'top' stream were taught to lay trays for breakfast, whilst those in the CSE stream cooked things, and the bottom stream cleaned 🙄. It was as though having a clutch of O levels would mean we'd have servants and that they'd come from the ranks of the bottom stream girls.

Funnily enough, it didn't work out like that.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD four remaining grammar schools in Essex

I just had a very quick look and there are 11 grammar schools in Essex.

Sorry, I was going on what growstuff said earlier.

It was one of the few remaining ones in Essex...

ronib

Private education is not a luxury. Simple

That is an oxymoron.

If I had all the problems the Educations Secretary is facing, I'd have a long face too! Cut the woman some slack, for crying out loud. She's only just discovered where her office coat-peg is!

It’s the politics of envy and virtue signalling from an inept government.

Please explain the logic behind this conclusion?

ronib

Private education is not a luxury. Simple

Simple? You mean 'as you see it'?

Most people understand that their own viewpoint can be argued with, and that life is not 'simple'.

Those meerkats and their 'simplistic' adverts have a lot to answer for.

MaizieD four remaining grammar schools in Essex

I just had a very quick look and there are 11 grammar schools in Essex.

A friend of mine went to a girls' grammar and boasts about her 'excellent education', despite leaving at 15 with no qualifications.

I had to smile wryly at that, Doodledog. I went to one of the 'four remaining grammar schools' in Essex, only during the 1960s and, quite frankly, it was very poor. I have a feeling that a number of the teachers weren't even teacher trained.

I think most of us got a few 'O' levels, but the number who left at 16, about 2 thirds of the 3 form entry, was very bad considering that nowadays we would all have been considered to be top university material. Expectations were so low.

So, I'm not a huge advocate of grammar schools...

I’m not sure why private schools are seen as the best that can be done for our children. All my cousins went to fee paying schools and they haven’t got a GCE or A level between them. A colleague of mine sent her daughter to Gordonstoun for 6th form at a cost of over £30K. She ended up with 2Es and a U and an unwanted pregnancy. My daughter, at the local sixth form ,got 4 As . Will children in the state sector benefit from this raid on fee paying schools? I doubt it. It’s the politics of envy and virtue signalling from an inept government.

Private education is not a luxury. Simple

CoolCoco

I'm not sure why some people claim VAT on private schools is a result of "envy", I honestly don't understand that - VAT is payable on all sorts of luxuries - and private education is a luxury for most as they cant afford it. Is VAT on cars "the politics of envy" - since not everyone can afford an expensive car?, or expensive jewellery - should we take VAT off such luxuries since its obviously the "politics of envy'?

Agreed. The 'politics of envy' defence is a lame one, IMO.