Social Care Reform and help got the elderly

The cost of administering a system to means test people for hotel costs associated with hospital stays would outweigh the amount of money that could be gathered, surely winterwhite. The average length of stay in hospital is very short, and most patients are admitted as emergencies rather than planned care. Social care is for far fewer people, usually for weeks, at least, and there is the time to assess need before the care is put in place. Although I understand your point, I really don’t think charging hospital inpatients would result in a benefit to the state.

You are probably right Casdon tho short stay patients could be billed on return home if there was a scheme in place but I wasn’t trying to open that can of worms, just make the point that home care is considerably cheaper than hospital care involving treatments, procedures and surgery yet it is grudged and denied, and this needs to be considered. I hope the new commission will do so.

ronib

Doodledog I don’t have the time to investigate the discussion on Mumsnet as am taking down Christmas decorations but in brief, just because a large number of people say something doesn’t mean that it’s accurate.
I prefer to try to find out more from the horse’s mouth so to speak. Bypassing social media!

"Straight from the horses mouth" is generally considered unreliable hearsay unless backed by proof. It means motivations, biases, inconsistencies or different possibilities are unlikely to have been explored.

This means you may form an opinion, but it unreasonable to expect others to agree with an opinion based on hearsay.

As for the "common sense" you mentioned earlier, their are many quotes about this but here is just one, attributed to Albert Einstein. "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.

“As for the "common sense" you mentioned earlier, there are many quotes about this but here is just one, attributed to Albert Einstein. "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.”

Oh I remember that one Political Nerd…and it still has me howling when Labour want to extend the voting age to most school pupils!

Let’s try this quote
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Disraeli

Why is that in any way relevant, Ronib?

I thought we were conjuring up quotes ??

winterwhite

You are probably right Casdon tho short stay patients could be billed on return home if there was a scheme in place but I wasn’t trying to open that can of worms, just make the point that home care is considerably cheaper than hospital care involving treatments, procedures and surgery yet it is grudged and denied, and this needs to be considered. I hope the new commission will do so.

I think there’s a tipping point with home care, it’s what we’d nearly all want for ourselves, and it is cheaper for the state too for most people who need it. I don’t personally think that people should be kept at home whatever the cost though, and some home packages are very expensive, particularly continuing healthcare cases. It’s not only the cost, it’s the resources absorbed that concern me. One person receiving four double handed half hour visits per day is using 4 hours of carer time, which could help eight people who only need two single handed visits per day, but are really struggling with no input, or are stuck in hospital because there are no care packages available. It’s a dilemma.

Oreo

It hardly ever works out that way Lathyrus and this new government is very big on talking about setting up inquiries to look at things rather than actually having to implement anything.Talk is cheap in other words and they have no plan for social care.As Whitewavemark2 notes, after the war, the Labour government got going immediately on the big projects that the people of the UK had desperately needed for so many years and they don’t come much bigger than the concept of our NHS.They didn’t set up inquiry after inquiry, quango after quango to look at it, they actually did it.

The NHS and other reforms were the result of the Beveridge Report in (IIRC ) 1944

Graceless

Oreo

It hardly ever works out that way Lathyrus and this new government is very big on talking about setting up inquiries to look at things rather than actually having to implement anything.Talk is cheap in other words and they have no plan for social care.As Whitewavemark2 notes, after the war, the Labour government got going immediately on the big projects that the people of the UK had desperately needed for so many years and they don’t come much bigger than the concept of our NHS.They didn’t set up inquiry after inquiry, quango after quango to look at it, they actually did it.

The NHS and other reforms were the result of the Beveridge Report in (IIRC ) 1944

Work on the Beveridge Report started in June 1941. The NHS began in July 1948, 7 years later.

Meantime in Scotland the Scottish government has just extended personal care and some home nursing to people with disabilities or chronic illness …regardless of age .

Compassionate government….a foreign concept to Westminster.
This will be a godsend to people like my daughter who have depended on their children to do much of their personal care ,and release some of these kids from the burden of caring while trying to study .So glad I live in Scotland .