Shouldn't our MPs (Farage in this case) know the UK doesn't have "Free Speech"

Under Labour now do you think that we’re seeing more nationalisation for example, bringing more pupils into the State school system? I don’t think the NHS is being privatised at the moment but it may well be further down the line. Transport being brought back into public ownership? Any other examples in the offing MaizieD?

ronib

MaizieD how do you define shrinking of the State?

Not having any nationalised sectors. Privatise everything.

Apart from the military, the state' needs a military paid by it and loyal to it in case they need to put down a rebellion.

MaizieD how do you define shrinking of the State?

PoliticsNerd

MaizieD

*Extreme capitalism is a condition in which large companies and rich people raise too much money and leave too little for the rest of society.

That's not 'extreme' capitalism. It's just capitalism. That's exactly how it works when it is unregulated and given favourable tax regimes.

I'm not sure what your argument is with the definition I gave.

That's exactly how it works when it is unregulated and given favourable tax regimes.

Your definition suggests that capitalism IS regulated and is not given favourable tax regimes.

To me that means "extreme capitalism" is different with little or no state (or democratic) control.

I'm saying that your category of 'extreme' capitalism is de facto capitalism.

What we have experienced in our lifetimes is capitalism which has been controlled to a certain extent by regulation and taxation.

Unfortunately it hasn't been controlled sufficiently over the past 40+ years because the most influential regimes in the 'Western World', notably the US, were influenced by Hayek and his disciple, Freidman, into rejecting the Keynesianism of the post WW2 period, and allowing greater market 'freedom' and a shrinking of the state.

The result is what we have today. Greater concentration of wealth in the hands of the already wealthy, ever rising inequality and the rise of populism.

I suggest taking more interest in economics... in how economic theory and ideology shape societies and affect the individuals within societies, and in what 'money' actually is and how it gets into an economy.

MaizieD

^*Extreme capitalism is a condition in which large companies and rich people raise too much money and leave too little for the rest of society.^

That's not 'extreme' capitalism. It's just capitalism. That's exactly how it works when it is unregulated and given favourable tax regimes.

I'm not sure what your argument is with the definition I gave.

That's exactly how it works when it is unregulated and given favourable tax regimes.

Your definition suggests that capitalism IS regulated and is not given favourable tax regimes.

To me that means "extreme capitalism" is different with little or no state (or democratic) control.

Allira

PoliticsNerd

So Freedom of Speech is part of the wider concept of Freedom of Expression, but there are certain limitations. (*Allira*).

This is true in the UK Allira but not in the USA.

Were we not discussing the UK?

^Shouldn't our MPs (Farage in this case) know the UK doesn't have "Free Speech"^

I do know what the OP said Allira - I wrote it

As far as I'm aware we are allowed to expand on a subject. Why are you trying to close down discussion?

ronib

nanna8 I can almost understand Canada being part of America- shared borders etc but Trump is too business minded to want the Uk surely? Far too much of an economic mess- why would Trump bother?
Likely that Republicans would never win an election again with Canada as 51st ? No chance of it happening??

Ronib there has been talk of Canada linking up with the EU. It would be greatly advantageous to both. Europe needs space and resources, Canada needs people.

America would only want to take, not give. That is their nature. Particularly with Trump as putative King.

PoliticsNerd

^So Freedom of Speech is part of the wider concept of Freedom of Expression, but there are certain limitations.^ (*Allira*).

This is true in the UK Allira but not in the USA.

Were we not discussing the UK?

Shouldn't our MPs (Farage in this case) know the UK doesn't have "Free Speech"

*Extreme capitalism is a condition in which large companies and rich people raise too much money and leave too little for the rest of society.

That's not 'extreme' capitalism. It's just capitalism. That's exactly how it works when it is unregulated and given favourable tax regimes.

So Freedom of Speech is part of the wider concept of Freedom of Expression, but there are certain limitations. (*Allira*).

This is true in the UK Allira but not in the USA.

GrannyGravy13

It’s like falling down the rabbit hole on GN N&P threads at the moment.

POTUS Trump is probably laughing into his coco (he is tea total) at the way his throwaway lines are being treated as fact!

Come on he is like a mischievous little child, seeing how far he can push the grownups, there must be some intelligent and well balanced folks in the US Senate and House of Representatives?

America is both isolated and an economic behemoth. This leads to many, or even most Americans knowing very little about how the rest of the world works and, generally believing, the rest of the world runs in the same way as the USA - just not as well.

You then get those in this country who see America as a better, shinier UK, ignoring the fact that there is no statutory sick leave and no NHS, leaving many Americans dependent on their job for healthcare insurance. And then let's ignore the fact that the USA has zero statutory paternity leave and zero statutory maternity leave. The only other places in the world where this is true are a few very small islands. Mothers are allowed unpaid time off to give birth.

As of March 2022, 64% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. There is no federal protection for holiday pay. Two weeks a year plus federal holidays is quite common. Again the employer's decision.

The USA is the country the hard right in the UK, including some on here, want us to mimic and yet these are have often been the very same people who scream blue murder about the removal of the universal payment of WFA!

You say, GrannyGravy13, that Trump is only teasing us. In a county of extreme capitalists*, he is one of the most extreme. Forget this at your peril.

*Extreme capitalism is a condition in which large companies and rich people raise too much money and leave too little for the rest of society.

I’d also say let’s buckle up our seatbelts, I anticipate a bumpy ride!

ronib

Delusional and wind up merchant more like. Probably still on a high after reelection. A polite note from NATO needs to land on his desk.

Yes!

Delusional and wind up merchant more like. Probably still on a high after reelection. A polite note from NATO needs to land on his desk.

China has given Panama the status of most favoured nation, which means that Panama ships get special treatment in Chinese ports.

But some in Panama are concerned that the entry of these companies into the Panamanian ship registering business could mean tourists can only enter Panama in groups with a guide.

Chinese make up 5% of the Panamanian population.

POTUS Trump is waging a trade war and will probably up the tariffs on Chinese goods.

I don't know.

Perhaps he'll march in himself. He has sent his son there now.

No, he did say that the Greenlandic people should be willing to give up their country voluntarily.

He is either a wind-up merchant or delusional.

Allira so let’s wait and see what happens on January 21st - Trump is going to have his work cut out with all these incursions. Does he need to ask anyone or does he just press ahead?

Whitewavemark2 he has achieved his aim along with Elon Musk most of the world is talking about them…

No, it must have been actual Trump.
He didn't seem to remember that on the Eastern side of mainland USA, only 82 km separates it from mainland Russia.

GrannyGravy13

It’s like falling down the rabbit hole on GN N&P threads at the moment.

POTUS Trump is probably laughing into his coco (he is tea total) at the way his throwaway lines are being treated as fact!

Come on he is like a mischievous little child, seeing how far he can push the grownups, there must be some intelligent and well balanced folks in the US Senate and House of Representatives?

It would be a mistake to treat Trump’s rhetoric as meaningless, and a game that he is playing.

Trump, as a transactional president, knows exactly how to push buttons, and uses his power to get what he wants.

ronib

nanna8 nothing like the 1930s - it’s all a big wind up by the msm. Complete nonsense and fiction most of the time. Just a few months ago we all were told that Putin was going to attack London. Well he still might but … so much reporting seems divorced from reality.

Well, perhaps that wasn't Trump I saw on the TV yesterday, in fact, thinking about it, his visual appearance did look rather toned down.

there must be some intelligent and well balanced folks in the US Senate and House of Representatives?

If so, they are remarkably quiet.

It’s like falling down the rabbit hole on GN N&P threads at the moment.

POTUS Trump is probably laughing into his coco (he is tea total) at the way his throwaway lines are being treated as fact!

Come on he is like a mischievous little child, seeing how far he can push the grownups, there must be some intelligent and well balanced folks in the US Senate and House of Representatives?

Allira

^We cannot allow our country to be treated as an offshoot to the USA^

Horrifying thought!

First they came for Greenland .. then ?

The Panama Canal ... then?

nanna8 Hitler had legitimate elected power and Germany had been economically crushed by the settlement imposed on it after WW1. Not the same conditions now.
Journalists frame information - for example, Greenland and the Panama Canal were grouped together in the same question. Of course Trump is going to ensure that the USA has access to the Panama Canal however he chose not to explain his position on Greenland and hence another fabricated story.