Democracy under threat

KateW19

No it’s absolutely correct that the lower education attainment, the more likely a person would vote for far right groups, and likewise higher ed attainment vote left. One of the reasons right wing groups ban books in schools

Born out by the Brexit vote.

BevSec

Just read that the Duke of Marlborough is offering to hold a meeting between Nige and Musk at Blenheim Palace. Apparently he is a Reform supporter. Good to know its not just lumpen proles like me who support Reform! He must be concerned about what is happening to this country too.

Why? I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, Farage needs to stop all activity other than his duties and commitments of his current job role! That is to serve and support his constituency.

BevSec

Just read that the Duke of Marlborough is offering to hold a meeting between Nige and Musk at Blenheim Palace. Apparently he is a Reform supporter. Good to know its not just lumpen proles like me who support Reform! He must be concerned about what is happening to this country too.

He also has a criminal record, not to be admired really.

Allira

Sorry, growstuff

The 😂😂😂 was intended for Terribull's post, not yours!
Posts arrived in between.

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No problem. I realised that. Terribull's post was hilarious (mine were just boring).

Sorry, growstuff

The 😂😂😂 was intended for Terribull's post, not yours!
Posts arrived in between.

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Excellent TerriBull. I can start my housework with a smile now!

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Allira

M0nica

Democracy has always been based, if not on lies, then on at least doctoring the truth. Trump is not be the first leader to get in on a populist vote and certainly will not be the last.

So many facts are hidden from the general oublic, not just by right wing governments but by all.

Just for reference, I dislike Trump's rhetoric, find Musk quite frightening and voted Labour.
But I prefer not to align myself with some of the truly arrogant views expressed in some posts on here.

It's a lesson in how not to win hearts and minds if those with different views think they are so despised.

We seem to be in agreement.

Thank you Allira. I hadn't heard of them. If they're like the American group, they don't seem to be educationally challenged.

The key is the word ‘extremist’ really. Most are not, thank goodness. I haven’t come across anyone on here who is ( ok, maybe the odd one ) but whether left or right they tend to be very inconsiderate of anyone who doesn’t align with their personal views.

Allira

I can't think, can't think, it's too hard.
Way past my bedtime.

My Enid Blyton awaits. Tonight it's 5 Go To Mar a Lago.
😂😂😂

I'm reading about Darrell Rivers having fun at Malory Trump Towers.
It's ever so good.

Was Darrell Rivers at Trump Tower any good,?I had a disquieting time last night with "5 Go to Mar a Lago" the books just aren't what I remember, there have been huge changes in the lives of the previously damn decent 5. Julian's turned into a proper right wing prick individual joining the pro gun lobby during their time in the US and arguing guns are something that he and his brother Dick head are increasingly going to need whilst endeavouring to clear up crime on nearby Kirran Island, and as Enid was prone to let the reader know, wrong doings were so often perpetrated by swarthy, foreigners. Lashings of ginger beer, and tongue sandwiches as made by cook are not enough when trying to penetrate gangs of foreign nationals hell bent on flooding not only Kirran Island but the entire country with Spice and Crack Cocaine. Ann, wisely doesn't get involved, well she was always "only a girl" anyway, but she's now a highly successful influencer specialising in pumped up lips and butt lifts for the older woman, easily accessed on "@Ann'sAmbiguousAddons" The sad thing is that they all more or less present with not so much the brains they were born with all that private education too, but seemingly at 73, 71 and 69 respectively they're as mutton thick as they were at 9 years old, one only has to look at their political leanings to work that out. Their cousin boy dressing girl George has distanced from them as they have refused to use their preferred pronouns "they/them". Lovely golden haired dog Timmy has long since passed on to the great kennel in the sky and has been replaced by XL Bully Vinny. Unfortunately there was a nasty incident at Mar a Lago when one of Vinny's triggers, "anything that glows orange", prone to send him into a feeding frenzy, took one look at Trump and bit a lump out of a fleshy areas, plenty to choose from although it was reported whatever he got his canines into he quickly regurgitated. Anyway Trump has sent the sorry group packing over the state line into the 51st state, known as Canada. Fortunately for them, Trudeau has recently resigned, so they should be safe there for a while.Lets hope they don't return

That’s the problem with democracy. It takes all sorts. As Churchill said it’s the better of the political systems. As a well educated person I guess I must be deranged to even think about voting Reform. Years ago they put unmarried girls who became pregnant in lunatics asylums because they had to be mentally unstable to get into that condition! We no longer subscribe to that mistaken logic thank goodness.

I might agree with some of what Farage says but as a snob I can’t stand seeing him with a glass of beer in one hand and a fag in the other. Shudder! Is he trying to look working class and what right do I have to label him. Too many labels tossed around indiscriminately.

Just read that the Duke of Marlborough is offering to hold a meeting between Nige and Musk at Blenheim Palace. Apparently he is a Reform supporter. Good to know its not just lumpen proles like me who support Reform! He must be concerned about what is happening to this country too.

growstuff

Allira

Graceless

nanna8

My experience here is it is the extremist left groups who are educationally challenged just as much as, if not more than, the extreme right. I think the clue is the word ‘extreme’. The left ones seem to be a lot more violent for some reason which is something different these days. They are awful, totally intolerant.

Which extreme left wing groups are you thinking of?

Socialist Alternative perhaps?

I had to Google Socialist Alternative, which seems to be an American organisation. I skimmed through their website and I wouldn't think they are educationally challenged - idealist and perhaps a bit naive perhaps.

It's Australian, growstuff.
I think nanna8 is in Australia.

However, it's worrying when extremist groups of any persuasion take a hold.

M0nica

Democracy has always been based, if not on lies, then on at least doctoring the truth. Trump is not be the first leader to get in on a populist vote and certainly will not be the last.

So many facts are hidden from the general oublic, not just by right wing governments but by all.

Just for reference, I dislike Trump's rhetoric, find Musk quite frightening and voted Labour.
But I prefer not to align myself with some of the truly arrogant views expressed in some posts on here.

It's a lesson in how not to win hearts and minds if those with different views think they are so despised.

Allira

Graceless

nanna8

My experience here is it is the extremist left groups who are educationally challenged just as much as, if not more than, the extreme right. I think the clue is the word ‘extreme’. The left ones seem to be a lot more violent for some reason which is something different these days. They are awful, totally intolerant.

Which extreme left wing groups are you thinking of?

Socialist Alternative perhaps?

I had to Google Socialist Alternative, which seems to be an American organisation. I skimmed through their website and I wouldn't think they are educationally challenged - idealist and perhaps a bit naive perhaps.

KateW19

It’s not the teachers fault, it’s underfunding

You took my remark seriously?

You believe whole swathes of the population have an educational level of Y4 or 5?

Graceless

nanna8

My experience here is it is the extremist left groups who are educationally challenged just as much as, if not more than, the extreme right. I think the clue is the word ‘extreme’. The left ones seem to be a lot more violent for some reason which is something different these days. They are awful, totally intolerant.

Which extreme left wing groups are you thinking of?

Socialist Alternative perhaps?

nanna8

My experience here is it is the extremist left groups who are educationally challenged just as much as, if not more than, the extreme right. I think the clue is the word ‘extreme’. The left ones seem to be a lot more violent for some reason which is something different these days. They are awful, totally intolerant.

Which extreme left wing groups are you thinking of?

growstuff

Surely the issue is that while Trump won the US election, he didn't win any election in the UK. Like it or not, the Labour Party won a democratic election last year. The UK is a sovereign country and nobody has the right to tell the UK that the PM and a minister should be in jail or that somebody shouldn't be in jail for contempt of court. Musk has been hitting out at Gordon Brown now.

True, Musk is now on a roll, putting out tweets here there and everywhere.He should be ignored as the troll he is and not engaged with by senior politicians.

TerriBull
Your suggestion that the great unwashed should take a test to ascertain if they are capable of reading was a serous suggestion put up by a few members here in the run up to the Brexit vote 😱

M0nica

PoliticalNerd Too often what you are saying is essential saying my side has the attributes of truth and virtue, and the other people are liars - and they are saying the same.

I'm sorry but I can't really make out whst you mean MOnica. So I am guessing it's:

Too often what you are saying is essential(ly) "my side has the attributes of truth and virtue, and the other people are liars" - and they are saying the same."

If I've got that right, could you give me an example?

Thanks.

TerriBull

Presumably learned lofty Oxford friend doesn't include herself as having a 9 year old's brain, well clearly that's not the case because she's a DrPhil. so its just the lumpen proletariat then, the ones that don't vote the way they should, stupid people. Should they even have the vote? maybe they should sit some sort of basic Key Stage 2 test at least to prove they can read the names of the candidates on the ballot paper, or heaven knows where they might stick their cross. It's really hard trying to get people with stunted intellect to vote properly a bit like corralling sheep

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I maybe a prole but object to being called lumpen, tho it’s true I did put a bit of weight on due to immense amounts of mince pies consumed.
Glad we just have to put an X by a candidate’s name as I can’t write my name or theirs.

PoliticalNerd Too often what you are saying is essential saying my side has the attributes of truth and virtue, and the other people are liars - and they are saying the same.

Surely the issue is that while Trump won the US election, he didn't win any election in the UK. Like it or not, the Labour Party won a democratic election last year. The UK is a sovereign country and nobody has the right to tell the UK that the PM and a minister should be in jail or that somebody shouldn't be in jail for contempt of court. Musk has been hitting out at Gordon Brown now.