Welby still can’t read the room

theworriedwell

I would assume he's saying thank you to people he has worked with, doesn't seem a big issue to me. I'm sure people have worked hard and I think most bosses have some sort of do to say goodbye and thank people, I'm sure he has probably done good things (I don't know as I'm not CofE and don't follow what goes on in the CofE) so if he reported it and relied on others to do their jobs it isn't ideal but it isn't the same as covering it up.

He resigned (after being forced to) as he was criticised in the Makin Report for covering up child abuse. No he didn't report it. No he didn't check it had been reported. He, and others, covered it up. The consequences were scores more children/young men were abused. He laughed it off in his farewell speech in the HoL and he's thrown a party. I find it all a very big, inexcusable, issue.

theworriedwell

fancythat

Though I think has been said before, he did report it.
He didnt follow it up enough.
If I have got that right.

Makes me wonder about my actions. I was helping out at my child's school, doing craft and things with the children. One child said something about what happened at Cubs' camp that rang alarm bells. At the end of the day I went to his form teacher and told her what he said, she said leave it with me and I did. Should I have checked she did her job? Did I do the right thing to report it and trust the other person would do their bit?

A good question.

I would like to think that years ago that would have been enough.[I could have been wrong].

Nowadays, I think we have to follow things up. Sadly.

Iam64

It bothers me that the African Bishops have so much influence, they’re anti gay an conservative not liberal

Never mind. Black lives matter.

petra

fancythat

Which I think, personally, is all part of the demise of Christianity in the Country.

We need Leaders who are doing things Biblically correct.

So basically ignoring about a third of the voting public.
That would be agnostics, atheists, and irreligious.
Not what I’d call democratic.

I meant in the Church.
I wasnt clear enugh.

Agree worriedwell , I am aglican

fancythat

Though I think has been said before, he did report it.
He didnt follow it up enough.
If I have got that right.

Makes me wonder about my actions. I was helping out at my child's school, doing craft and things with the children. One child said something about what happened at Cubs' camp that rang alarm bells. At the end of the day I went to his form teacher and told her what he said, she said leave it with me and I did. Should I have checked she did her job? Did I do the right thing to report it and trust the other person would do their bit?

I would assume he's saying thank you to people he has worked with, doesn't seem a big issue to me. I'm sure people have worked hard and I think most bosses have some sort of do to say goodbye and thank people, I'm sure he has probably done good things (I don't know as I'm not CofE and don't follow what goes on in the CofE) so if he reported it and relied on others to do their jobs it isn't ideal but it isn't the same as covering it up.

The lovely late Bill Turnbull was an old Etonian.

Hugh ..,

A list of Old Etonians - Keynes (favoured by some), George Orwell, Bear Grylls, Eddie Redmayne, High Laurie, Ian Fleming and where it went slightly wrong- 20 prime ministers….

Eton does seem to churn out particularly unsuitable unattractive young men. Add Prince Harry to that mix, although fortunately brother William has clearly been unaffected. No wonder the Wales' don't want their children going to this particular school!!

Ladyleftfieldlover

Stephen Cotterel won’t be the next ABC. He’s too old and has admitted that. It won’t be an Evangelical this time. Rowan Williams (the best ABC in my lifetime) was an Anglo Catholic, (Oil) Welby was an Evangelical, so the next person should be another Anglo Catholic. I doubt if they’ll choose a woman as the African bishops would never accept her. Sad but true.

Rowan Williams was an unusual choice because he was not a Bishop in the Church of England.

He was Bishop of Monmouth and Archbishop of Wales previous to being appointed Archbishop of Canterbury.
The Church in Wales is nonestablished.

fancythat

Which I think, personally, is all part of the demise of Christianity in the Country.

We need Leaders who are doing things Biblically correct.

So basically ignoring about a third of the voting public.
That would be agnostics, atheists, and irreligious.
Not what I’d call democratic.

Oh yes - Welby should’ve gone quietly, I wonder who declined the invite

It bothers me that the African Bishops have so much influence, they’re anti gay an conservative not liberal

Stephen Cotterel won’t be the next ABC. He’s too old and has admitted that. It won’t be an Evangelical this time. Rowan Williams (the best ABC in my lifetime) was an Anglo Catholic, (Oil) Welby was an Evangelical, so the next person should be another Anglo Catholic. I doubt if they’ll choose a woman as the African bishops would never accept her. Sad but true.

It's worth reading it all.

A fugitive from the boardroom is perfectly suited to Lambeth Palace

A former colleague remembers him as “very shrewd and smart”: “He was obviously going places. If you’d said in 10 years’ time he’ll be in the Church, I’d have said no – he’ll be the finance director of a top FTSE company.”

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/an-old-etonian-yes-but-justin-welby-the-new-archbishop-is-far-from-a-bullingdonclub-bore-8298185.html

November 2012

How interesting to look back at this comment by George Pitcher of The Independent.

It was only a short while ago JW was being lauded for his compassion and frequently calling out the previous government for their lack of it.

He seems to have the sort of arrogance demonstrated by a couple of others, let me think, oh that would be David Cameron, and Boris Johnson to name but two. What was their old Alma Mater? oh I remember now Eton Community College, apparently it's a special school in the sense of how it imbues its pupils with a supreme sense of themselves.

Actually I'm not that surprised as I think Archbishop Welby viewed his meteoric rise through the ranks of the Anglican Church as a career move which has, in his eyes, proved highly successful. No,wonder he's so chuffed, retiring a year early, substantial pension in situ, is it tax free like the P.M? who knows. His status unaffected, win win all round I'd say. As for humility, consciousness, even Christianity itself, I don't think ex Archbishop Welby even knows the meaning of the words. A man of God he certainly is not and never was. The next Archbishop? the mixture as before? who knows.

eazybee

With regard to child abuse I think you will find that most people who work with children do report suspected abuse to a designated person, and there is a chain to follow, which is followed until it reaches the police, or social services, and it is then found 'there is no case to answer'.
The reasons for 'no case to answer' are what needs investigating.

&The reasons for 'no case to answer' are what needs investigating.^

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Raj Miah (along with a few others) has a few amswers.

What of the guests? They have chosen to attend, so apparently condone his and others behaviour.
We have to come to terms with the fact that these are not isolated incidents, involving individual damaged people.
A very strong ray of sunlight has to be shone on all the upper echelons of society to make any change.
I don't ignore other classes creeds or religions in this problem, but most do not have sufficient power to instigate change.
Paedophilia and closely link sexual inappropriate behaviour is now endemic in our society and there are small groups of people who wish to make it acceptable.
Its sickening that more people with power find themselves powerless to effect change, for a variety of reasons.

Totally inappropriate for a bloke who had to resign before he was sacked. Such a mealy mouthed wet. Don’t bang the door on the way out.

With regard to child abuse I think you will find that most people who work with children do report suspected abuse to a designated person, and there is a chain to follow, which is followed until it reaches the police, or social services, and it is then found 'there is no case to answer'.
The reasons for 'no case to answer' are what needs investigating.

fancythat

Which I think, personally, is all part of the demise of Christianity in the Country.

We need Leaders who are doing things Biblically correct.

Yep - they should be sending a plague or a flood - that would do it!