Welby still can’t read the room

His judgement seems really off doesn't it? Looked at in the kindest light, I have wondered if he is developing some cognitive issues that are clouding his ability to recognise that this is not an appropriate way to behave? Though it doesn't excuse those advising him.

Oh dear. Well at least he's left. Obviously not apologetic at all.

Stephen Cottrell, Archbishop of York has taken over most of Welby's duties. Cottrell is as guilty as Welby. I would not be in the least surprised if he becomes Archbishop of Canterbury. The police are apparently investigating whether there should be criminal charges brought in light of the Makin Report, but l think that'll be negative. Members of Church of England are mocking morality by not bringing their bishops to account.

A lot of these senior clergy seem to live in a different realm to anyone else, serenely drifting along to the beat of their own drum.

One could ignore the lot of them if it were not for the fact that young people have suffered and our constitution puts a gang of them in positions of power in our government system - it is a disgrace. That is not democracy.

all about self!

Oreo

A lot of these senior clergy seem to live in a different realm to anyone else, serenely drifting along to the beat of their own drum.

Absolutely.
And not just Church of England, sadly.

Which I think, personally, is all part of the demise of Christianity in the Country.

We need Leaders who are doing things Biblically correct.

I also question whether there is a wider issue.
Though this may not be the thread to discuss it.

Are people in general, promoted, precisely because they "dont read the room"?
That leaders nowadays are expected the guard the name of an organisation, regardless of anything and anyone else?

Luckygirl3

One could ignore the lot of them if it were not for the fact that young people have suffered and our constitution puts a gang of them in positions of power in our government system - it is a disgrace. That is not democracy.

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fancythat

I also question whether there is a wider issue.
Though this may not be the thread to discuss it.

Are people in general, promoted, precisely because they "dont read the room"?
That leaders nowadays are expected the guard the name of an organisation, regardless of anything and anyone else?

Yes.
The Post Office is another example.

Aveline

Oh dear. Well at least he's left. Obviously not apologetic at all.

I didn't notice an apology in his leaving speech.. I don't think he is sorry or feels responsible for his lack of action..

pascal30

Aveline

Oh dear. Well at least he's left. Obviously not apologetic at all.

I didn't notice an apology in his leaving speech.. I don't think he is sorry or feels responsible for his lack of action..

He didn't make an apology. Just treated it as Comedy Night at the local pub. Lots of chortling from the line of male Bishops sat behind him. The only one showing any sign of discomfort was the female Bishop of London who sat with her head in her hands.

Under legislation announced by Yvette Cooper for a bill in the spring (amongst other measures) professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/06/yvette-cooper-says-she-will-force-professionals-to-report-child-sexual-abuse-claims

Good.

That should have been done always.

Though I think has been said before, he did report it.
He didnt follow it up enough.
If I have got that right.

Oh well- some movement. Failure to report child abuse should eventually become the same as failure to report money laundering. Why has it taken so long is my question? I guess it’s all about societal values and money laundering is clearly of more importance than child safety. Gulp. Let’s hope that the structure for reporting and follow up is in place and robust.

fancythat

Which I think, personally, is all part of the demise of Christianity in the Country.

We need Leaders who are doing things Biblically correct.

Yep - they should be sending a plague or a flood - that would do it!

With regard to child abuse I think you will find that most people who work with children do report suspected abuse to a designated person, and there is a chain to follow, which is followed until it reaches the police, or social services, and it is then found 'there is no case to answer'.
The reasons for 'no case to answer' are what needs investigating.

Totally inappropriate for a bloke who had to resign before he was sacked. Such a mealy mouthed wet. Don’t bang the door on the way out.

What of the guests? They have chosen to attend, so apparently condone his and others behaviour.
We have to come to terms with the fact that these are not isolated incidents, involving individual damaged people.
A very strong ray of sunlight has to be shone on all the upper echelons of society to make any change.
I don't ignore other classes creeds or religions in this problem, but most do not have sufficient power to instigate change.
Paedophilia and closely link sexual inappropriate behaviour is now endemic in our society and there are small groups of people who wish to make it acceptable.
Its sickening that more people with power find themselves powerless to effect change, for a variety of reasons.

eazybee

With regard to child abuse I think you will find that most people who work with children do report suspected abuse to a designated person, and there is a chain to follow, which is followed until it reaches the police, or social services, and it is then found 'there is no case to answer'.
The reasons for 'no case to answer' are what needs investigating.

&The reasons for 'no case to answer' are what needs investigating.^

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Raj Miah (along with a few others) has a few amswers.

Actually I'm not that surprised as I think Archbishop Welby viewed his meteoric rise through the ranks of the Anglican Church as a career move which has, in his eyes, proved highly successful. No,wonder he's so chuffed, retiring a year early, substantial pension in situ, is it tax free like the P.M? who knows. His status unaffected, win win all round I'd say. As for humility, consciousness, even Christianity itself, I don't think ex Archbishop Welby even knows the meaning of the words. A man of God he certainly is not and never was. The next Archbishop? the mixture as before? who knows.

It was only a short while ago JW was being lauded for his compassion and frequently calling out the previous government for their lack of it.

He seems to have the sort of arrogance demonstrated by a couple of others, let me think, oh that would be David Cameron, and Boris Johnson to name but two. What was their old Alma Mater? oh I remember now Eton Community College, apparently it's a special school in the sense of how it imbues its pupils with a supreme sense of themselves.