Welby still can’t read the room

It was apparently too difficult and time consuming to do the right thing and authorise independent safeguarding so they voted to do it themselves. Who are they protecting, well apart from Stephen Cottrell.

The CofE is in a real mess. Congregations for most churches are falling. The mismanagement of safeguarding, alongside the images of the mostly male Bishops dressed up in frankly ludicrous outfits isn’t going to encourage church attendance

So the church synod met today
What did they decide not much
from what was said on the news it doesn't sound like the church knows how to make the right decisions sad

Why he didn't care about young men who suffered awful abuse he shouldn't get any more privileges

It is still a career though, in terms of career progression etc.
Well to some at least.

In the denomination I am in[not c of e] the pay isnt seen as bad.
As you dont have house expenses to pay for.
So the salary is seen as reasonably generous.
But they do then have not to have sqaundered money along the way. as when they retire, they need to find their own accomodation.

The Church may have been seen as a career in Jane Austin’s time. mumofmadboys is correct, it’s a vocation now. I have two friends who left successful legal careers to be ordained. Another friend, now in their 70’s, told me they were brought up in a family of atheists and on a train journey home from university ‘knew’ their future was in the CofE

I’m still dismayed that John Bercow never got his peerage!

It looks like Welby is on track to receive a life peerage (generally awarded when an archbishop retires at 70).
There are calls against this but no confirmation it won't happen.

I do not think many people see the church as a career rather than a vocation. I am married to a retired vicar and know many clergy. The pay is poor but you don't do it for the money. I feel privileged to have lived in a vicarage for many years and knowing members of the congregation through the ups and downs of their lives.

Don't sit through it. Speak up. It's your church too!

welbeck

A local church has had to endure hearing pastoral concern during prayers for Welby by the vicar.
Both when he finally announced that he was going and last week as he prepared to lay down his office.
Literally. Lay down his office.
Unbelievable. No mention of all the victims.
And the congregation have to maintain a reverent demeanor.
While frequently being reminded that safeguarding is everyone's responsibility.
As if it is our fault by act or default.
Vicar may be a friend of his.
So many of them shew no awareness of the public view of all this shared across the board.
As so well expressed by Ian Hislop.
He challenged Welby swanning around at a grand do.
Made no difference. Water off a duck's back.
There followed the performance in the house of Lords.
And then the leaving do at the palace.

Wonder if we'll have to pray for his retirement this Sunday.

It seems to be such a men's club .. all covering each other's backs.. Do you have any women clergy Wellbeck? I must say I'd find it difficult to sit through as well..

Pray for forgiveness for him and for the wellbeing of those who suffered as a result of his negligence?

A local church has had to endure hearing pastoral concern during prayers for Welby by the vicar.
Both when he finally announced that he was going and last week as he prepared to lay down his office.
Literally. Lay down his office.
Unbelievable. No mention of all the victims.
And the congregation have to maintain a reverent demeanor.
While frequently being reminded that safeguarding is everyone's responsibility.
As if it is our fault by act or default.
Vicar may be a friend of his.
So many of them shew no awareness of the public view of all this shared across the board.
As so well expressed by Ian Hislop.
He challenged Welby swanning around at a grand do.
Made no difference. Water off a duck's back.
There followed the performance in the house of Lords.
And then the leaving do at the palace.

Wonder if we'll have to pray for his retirement this Sunday.

I agree.
And in the Welby issue by which he was eventually unwillingly forced out ie abuse by John Smyth the victims were male.

madeleine45

Whilst there are always exceptions to the rule, I would consider it to be far safer to have a woman, as overseeing bishop, in any such case. Of course there are dreadful people like Rose West, but I would be more trusting of the words of someone of the same sex as the abused than the "all boys together " attitude , which is of course shown in the arrogant "party goodbye" instead of him standing making an abject apology and then slinking out by the back door . Even the fact that he has this party shows he has no idea of appropriate behaviour and if he doesnt understand the situation he should not be doing any of the judging. There are always "advisers" in every situation, usually trying to minimize and avoid apologizing for the disgraceful behaviour. In a church you would at least expect that apologies and repentance and definite change of attitude , more than in a firm. Sadly you couldnt see the difference between their behaviour and other arrogant attitudes by men, such as Boris Johnson making rules that he does not see he should have to adhere to either.

I used to work in police admin and I don't think I agree with you. Some of the best officers I worked with who were the most understanding of abused women, who were the least judgemental were men. I worked with more than one female officer who were unable to empathise with a woman who was more vulnerable than they were. Of course there were female officers who were great and male officers who weren't but I don't think it was to do with sex.

I think it is a case of the right person for the job not the right sex for the job.

Whilst there are always exceptions to the rule, I would consider it to be far safer to have a woman, as overseeing bishop, in any such case. Of course there are dreadful people like Rose West, but I would be more trusting of the words of someone of the same sex as the abused than the "all boys together " attitude , which is of course shown in the arrogant "party goodbye" instead of him standing making an abject apology and then slinking out by the back door . Even the fact that he has this party shows he has no idea of appropriate behaviour and if he doesnt understand the situation he should not be doing any of the judging. There are always "advisers" in every situation, usually trying to minimize and avoid apologizing for the disgraceful behaviour. In a church you would at least expect that apologies and repentance and definite change of attitude , more than in a firm. Sadly you couldnt see the difference between their behaviour and other arrogant attitudes by men, such as Boris Johnson making rules that he does not see he should have to adhere to either.

Should have left with his tail between his legs 😩

Sad to say but in many cases, the Church is seen by many as a career rather than a vocation. In the past, the Archbishop of Canterbury was an advisor to the monarch, much as the King's Druid used to be. Hence Welby's political comments.

Too many people should stick to the job they are paid to do, and leave their egos at the door.

Time for him to show some kindness ??

I looked up the archbishop apparently he is very rich two million left by his mother no doubt a massive pension wage was excessive and all the people damaged by the church but he's not donating any to the poor or the victims he failed to protect Isn't it in the bible that it's harder for a rich man to get into heaven than for a camel to get through the eye of a needle Maybe he should be worried

'Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me for such is the kingdom of heaven' Matthew chapter 19 v 14

Avanew

fancythat

Which I think, personally, is all part of the demise of Christianity in the Country.

We need Leaders who are doing things Biblically correct.

Just to quote what would be biblically correct, Matthew 18:6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
......If Welby took the Bible seriously he might not be throwing parties?

Puts a whole different meaning on 'Suffer little children to come unto me'.

jocork

fancythat

theworriedwell

fancythat

Though I think has been said before, he did report it.
He didnt follow it up enough.
If I have got that right.

Makes me wonder about my actions. I was helping out at my child's school, doing craft and things with the children. One child said something about what happened at Cubs' camp that rang alarm bells. At the end of the day I went to his form teacher and told her what he said, she said leave it with me and I did. Should I have checked she did her job? Did I do the right thing to report it and trust the other person would do their bit?

A good question.

I would like to think that years ago that would have been enough.[I could have been wrong].

Nowadays, I think we have to follow things up. Sadly.

I worked in schools for many years. I have reported things following the defined protocols and one never hears what the outcome is. I assumed once I'd reported something that I'd be updated but that isn't the case. So many things are handled on a 'Need to know' basis and I sometimes think more teachers need to know about concerns as we are dealing with pupils on a day to day basis, but we are not trusted to know when things are going on in students' lives. We are expected to be proffessionals but have vital information withheld from us making our jobs more difficult!

I agree with every word you wrote.

The "need to know" basis works both ways.

All very well entrusting others, but what if they themselves are the actual problem? Or the possible problem>

And to futher confound matters, what if they are at least part of who you are supposed to refer to?

All the above has happened to me, not direct to me, but got in the way of reporting.

And further, what if people you think may well be a problem, and others you work with do too, and the superiors of that person are friends with them?

It all becomes a very tangled web?

And then you are told it is all a "need to know basis".

Hmm. Or a lot worse.

I am not saying I know the answers.

But some "systems" in some organisations need serious overhaul[ironically the people doing them are likely the "problem" people anyway]

Anyone still following the gist of all this?

That should read "Paula" Vennells!

What does anyone honestly expect from an antiquated organisation that is totally enmeshed with the establishment and run almost exclusively by men? I'm not even sure that the addition of "token" women helps either, given that Paul Vennells was in the running for Bishop of London.