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The Guy Who Wanted Newport Council To Allow Him....

(50 Posts)
mae13 Thu 09-Jan-25 15:56:49

.......to excavate a landfill site, and it's hundreds of tons of detritus, to find a hard drive containing a Bitcoin wallet has lost his case.

The girlfriend of James Howells disposed of the aforesaid hard drive and he's been trying since 2013 to convince the council it's in the landfill site. And he needs to excavate all that rubbish to find it as it would be worth squillions - if it exists, of course.

He didn't convince the judge, unsurprisingly.

Allira Sun 12-Jan-25 11:23:06

Ours has to be separated up and some goes to be incinerated to make electricity but a tiny proportion still goes to landfill.

Allira Sun 12-Jan-25 11:23:59

Farzanah

If he lived in my area his bin bag would have been incinerated!
I would have thought few do land fill now.

It was disposed of over 11 years ago!

Silverlady333 Sun 12-Jan-25 11:39:55

According to my husband. Apparently you have a bit coin wallet that is stored on your hard drive and can't be accessed from anywhere else. You can't make copies either.

Farzanah Sun 12-Jan-25 11:46:39

Whoops, yes Allira our incinerator was opened in 2013 🫒

Allira Sun 12-Jan-25 11:54:37

Silverlady333

According to my husband. Apparently you have a bit coin wallet that is stored on your hard drive and can't be accessed from anywhere else. You can't make copies either.

Oh dear ☹

Allira Sun 12-Jan-25 11:56:08

Ps like a lost Euro Millions ticket then!
"Who sent my jacket to the dry cleaners?"

Nightsky2 Sun 12-Jan-25 11:56:41

Allira

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I wouldn't know what to do with it if I found it!

Maybe negotiate a fee for finding it.

AuntieE Sun 12-Jan-25 12:57:55

62Granny

Even if he was allowed all how on earth would you find it after all this time a computer hard drive is only about the size of an A5 sheet of paper.

I would use something as old-fashioned as a garden riddle!

Admittedly, it would take time to sift the rubbish, but that is after all what archeologists do when excavating sites.

MissInterpreted Sun 12-Jan-25 12:59:41

4allweknow

He should have been signed up to a password management system. He would just need to open the app and find password or use the specially generated by the app password. Silly man!

That's not how Bitcoin works.

jocork Sun 12-Jan-25 14:31:41

If something is that important/valuable surely you'd keep a copy.

Mojack26 Sun 12-Jan-25 14:40:48

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Tizliz Sun 12-Jan-25 14:58:08

Allira

'In 2013 the council received a hard drive and that is all it did and all it ever has done.'

Almost 12 years ago - surely the likelihood of finding it after all this time is nigh on impossible?

Will the data still be accessible and if you can only use the device it was originally stored on what happens if the β€˜pins’ (not sure what they are called) are bent? Or the hard drive is flattened? You can imagine the techie guy sucking his teeth and saying no can do, this is f*****!

Allira Sun 12-Jan-25 15:14:17

Here's the landfill site from above:

Babs03 Sun 12-Jan-25 15:40:47

Ok I'll bring spades but we need a minibus at the very least to take all of us. I suggest someone kidnaps Alice Roberts, she of 'Digging for Britain'.

Allira Sun 12-Jan-25 15:46:27

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We need a written contract first, stating our percentage and deposited in a safe box at a solicitor of our choice.

Can you imagine, in 10,000 years' time, someone digging this up, putting it on a table in a tent in the middle of a field and a group of eminent archaeologists puzzling over this artefact?

If humans still exist, of course.

Jess20 Sun 12-Jan-25 17:04:49

If he's willing to pay and has the means to do so handsomely, even if he fails, uses a professional trained team to do the search and causes no extra pollution, why won't the council help him? I'd have thought they could use any profit to pay for something like extra housing or something really important!

Allira Sun 12-Jan-25 17:10:27

He could have set a precedent if the court had allowed his case to proceed.

Then people might be excavating the landfill sites and sueing the contractors and Council if they injured themselves.

OldFrill Sun 12-Jan-25 17:14:25

Allira

He could have set a precedent if the court had allowed his case to proceed.

Then people might be excavating the landfill sites and sueing the contractors and Council if they injured themselves.

This is not why he lost the case.

Allira Sun 12-Jan-25 17:25:37

OldFrill

Allira

He could have set a precedent if the court had allowed his case to proceed.

Then people might be excavating the landfill sites and sueing the contractors and Council if they injured themselves.

This is not why he lost the case.

The legal action was struck out. There was no court case.
Judge Keyser KC said there were no "reasonable grounds" for bringing the claim and "no realistic prospect" of succeeding at a full trial

I do realise that was not the reason, I was pointing out a possible consequence had the case proceeded and he had won.

Visgir1 Sun 12-Jan-25 17:38:43

I saw this a few years ago. I think I recall, he dumped the hard drive /PC unaware how much the Bitcoins were worth.

Allira Sun 12-Jan-25 17:41:06

Visgir1

I saw this a few years ago. I think I recall, he dumped the hard drive /PC unaware how much the Bitcoins were worth.

It was worth nothing much at all then. He put it in black bin liner when they were clearing out . Now he's blaming his ex- girlfriend for dumping it, according to news reports.

Allira Sun 12-Jan-25 20:12:31

An interesting item on the Antiques Road Show this evening.
There was a man on there who is employed at his local waste tip.
He said has three sheds full of items he has retrieved from the tip - with permission - and the items he took along were a hat, a cigar and other items which had belonged to Winston Churchill, plus 200 letters from Winston's cook to her son.

So when does ownership change in law?

MrsMatt Sun 12-Jan-25 20:14:19

Give him a spade and let him have a go himself. Should keep him occupied for a while

Allira Sun 12-Jan-25 20:23:55

MrsMatt

Give him a spade and let him have a go himself. Should keep him occupied for a while

That's the whole point.

He wants to but he's not allowed.

[sigh]