A Note to Elon Musk

I think Wes Streeting is beginning to shift a bit on the response. Saying two things can be true , there was 'political correctness' in relation to the victims of Pakistani rape gangs (and he used that term) alongside that people of Pakistani heritage are concerned about being tarred with the same brush.

Very much so Rosie. Well, more action - prosecutions are taking place currently as per the guidelines.

pascal30

Elon the new Enoch..

Just imagine if Enoch had possessed the ability to spread his venomous hatred via a popular social media platform which he owned.
That is what we are up against.

Perhaps Rosie 51, but then we have just had the debate in the HOC, and the schools wellfare bill was passed, by a huge majority. He didn't develop or arrange that. The present Government under Starmer did that. Persecutions against the perpetrators have already begun. The process has started, slowly yes, but surely.

Wyllow3

Rosie51

Maremia

He is not interested in the victims . He is weaponising their trauma for his own ends.

I agree that if Musk truly cares about the victims of sexual abuse he could be setting up and funding support services. J K Rowling showed her true concern by setting up and funding a rape support centre in Scotland, and she doesn't have a fraction of his wealth.

Maybe the one good result from his 'mouthing off' will be a much quicker implementation of actions to address the problems of the past in supporting victims and punishing offenders.

But do we need another inquiry to do this? On this point, the 2022, 7 year report made this quite clear - as well as Bab's point (taking victims seriously). The the government as GG13 has pointed out many times has set up units within the police specifically to address the issues.

I don't know whether we need any more inquiries or not. If it's decided that another inquiry is needed that shouldn't stop implementation of the recommendations from the 2022 report. Those recommendations can be adjusted in the light of further evidence gleaned if required. What isn't acceptable is inaction until any further inquiry reports, and I'd think we're all agreed on that.

Shouting about Pakistani Muslim rapists and torturers is an understandable knee jerk emotional reaction

A knee jerk reaction to what?

Oh hang on, could it be Pakistani Muslim rapists?
Maybe you could clarify it all for us.
Actually don’t bother. It would just be another load of bull s***

Thanks Iam.

I agree with you Babs03.

I have no doubt that some will choose to ignore the article, choosing instead to believe that Musk knows more about the issue than people who have spent years investigating it.

That’s up to them I suppose.

The article LizzieDrip posted sets out the timeline and the very positive changes made by Starmer and Afzal. Both of them were praised by David Cameron.

Thanks for the detailed article in your link LizzieDrip. It’s an excellent summary of the realities involved in the history and present investigations in which complex allegations and the needs of victims should always be central.

I’m relieved calmer more well informed people lead inquiries. Some angry posters here simply refuse to look at the complex picture. This work isn’t straightforward. Shouting about Pakistani Muslim rapists and torturers is an understandable knee jerk emotional reaction. Those of us being called apologists for rapists are no such thing. Some of us have known some the children involved. Imagine not being angry shocked horrified and aware of the life long trauma these children will carry with them .

Some girls were made the subject of secure accommodation orders ie, their liberty removed with the children living in a locked environment really made for dangerous adolescent girls. They needed therapeutic communities or specialist mental health hospitals which are vanishingly rare.

Elon the new Enoch..

(Although of course I agree with a quicker implementation - tho I have no easy answers about the resourcing of the huge amounts of time many prosecutions take)

Rosie51

Maremia

He is not interested in the victims . He is weaponising their trauma for his own ends.

I agree that if Musk truly cares about the victims of sexual abuse he could be setting up and funding support services. J K Rowling showed her true concern by setting up and funding a rape support centre in Scotland, and she doesn't have a fraction of his wealth.

Maybe the one good result from his 'mouthing off' will be a much quicker implementation of actions to address the problems of the past in supporting victims and punishing offenders.

But do we need another inquiry to do this? On this point, the 2022, 7 year report made this quite clear - as well as Bab's point (taking victims seriously). The the government as GG13 has pointed out many times has set up units within the police specifically to address the issues.

Galaxy

But the women who have campaigned for decades are saying similar ( not about Tommy Robinson) but questions about an inquiry, about how they were labelled racists, etc.
I dont think Trump for example gives much care about men in women prisons or 'gender affirming' care for children. Doesnt make him wrong on those things.

The problem is how the information we have is being used. Musk is trying to make it an all out blame Labour for it all despite it occurring during many governments but ignores the Labour women (amongst others) who spoke up in the long process.

Thanks for that LizzieDrip. Of course depends upon a person’s opinion or prejudices whether they agree with this article, I imagine some may just ignore it and continue to only blame South Asian gangs for all sexual crimes against young girls. The simple fact is that South Asian gangs have committed heinous sex crimes for which they must be punished. But as outlined in the article it wasn’t entirely down to police forces etc., being afraid of accusations of racism, the biggest problem was that the testimony of the young girls involved was regularly dismissed as is the testimony of countless rape victims the length and breadth of this country whatever colour or religion their attacker is.
We need to start believing girls and women who say they have been the victim of a sex crime, most already know that proceeding with this accusation means they will be doubted and in some cases seen as the criminal for accusing a man of this, so every year countless girls and women don’t report these crimes.
Surely we don’t need an inquiry to point out that we have got this arse ways round.

Maremia

He is not interested in the victims . He is weaponising their trauma for his own ends.

I agree that if Musk truly cares about the victims of sexual abuse he could be setting up and funding support services. J K Rowling showed her true concern by setting up and funding a rape support centre in Scotland, and she doesn't have a fraction of his wealth.

Maybe the one good result from his 'mouthing off' will be a much quicker implementation of actions to address the problems of the past in supporting victims and punishing offenders.

LizzieDrip

For those still cheering on Musk, you might want to read the following:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/far-right-elon-musk-grooming-gangs-britain-keir-starmer-tommy-robinson-great-replacement/?utm_source=SEGMENT%20-%20Newsletter%3A%20oD%20weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Elon%20Musk%27s%20posts%20on%20British%20grooming%20gangs%20rooted%20in%20conspiracy&_kx=xy6azI7idRy14YuNstM0LX9hUVmdnUplUVBgmUP0TjE.YjCYwm

This is long but well worth a read, as it exposes the lies and how they are spread and how it really is a campaign based non so much disinformation (mixed in with some correct information) and makes clear the nature of the attacks as far right conspiracy attempts to politicise in a particularly racist way.

But the women who have campaigned for decades are saying similar ( not about Tommy Robinson) but questions about an inquiry, about how they were labelled racists, etc.
I dont think Trump for example gives much care about men in women prisons or 'gender affirming' care for children. Doesnt make him wrong on those things.

Iam64

I find it to be unlikely that men who behave as these men of mainly Pakistani Muslim heritage did towards vulnerable white children, confined their behaviour to those girls. The girls were vulnerable in a way that few girls from the Pakistani Muslim community would be.

My area has a large community, we see groups of girls walking home from school together. Yiu don’t see them hanging around street corners, take always, etc because they’re not allowed out without purpose and escort. The victims in these rape gang cases were often out of the control of their parents or carers. I’m not blaming the children for that, or the parents/carers just stating the facts

Men who torture, rape and terrify children for sexual pleasure are acting to satisfy perverted needs. Their wives and children are even less likely to involve police/social workers in any abuse they experience than women in less closed communities,.

Iam is right

the abuse by these men was not confined to white girls

In the long and detailed wiki report of the events in Rotherham the Jay report is quoted:

Jay 2014, p.94: The Deputy Children's Commissioner's report reached a similar conclusion to the Muslim Women's Network research, stating 'one of these myths was that only white girls are victims of sexual exploitation by Asian or Muslim males, as if these men only abuse outside of their own community, driven by hatred and contempt for white females

This belief flies in the face of evidence that shows that those who violate children are most likely to target those who are closest to them and most easily accessible

The Home Affairs Select Committee quoted witnesses saying that cases of Asian men grooming Asian girls did not come to light because victims 'are often alienated and ostracised by their own families and by the whole community, if they go public with allegations of abuse

The wiki article also lists all the reports and investigations and also details names and details of sackings, resignations, of those who tried to sweep it aside and the names of the people also working on behalf of the girls.

wiki
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal#Issues_of_ethnicity_and_religion

For those still cheering on Musk, you might want to read the following:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/far-right-elon-musk-grooming-gangs-britain-keir-starmer-tommy-robinson-great-replacement/?utm_source=SEGMENT%20-%20Newsletter%3A%20oD%20weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Elon%20Musk%27s%20posts%20on%20British%20grooming%20gangs%20rooted%20in%20conspiracy&_kx=xy6azI7idRy14YuNstM0LX9hUVmdnUplUVBgmUP0TjE.YjCYwm

Baggs

Maremia

He is not interested in the victims . He is weaponising their trauma for his own ends.

This is a subjective judgment unless you know the man personally, maremia.

You could be right of course, but I think it's equally possible Musk actually does care about justice and that's why he spoke up.

Baggs, the evidence is clear to me: Musk has not made any interventions into very similar and very widespread problems in the USA. He has never campaigned on sexual exploitation of women and girls in the USA.

I just wonder how Trump will now navigate relations with European countries whose democracies have been undermined by Musks interference. Despite Trump’s arrogance towards Europe he is first and foremost a business man so he needs to have good relations with Europe in order to make important trade deals not to mention retain US baseson their territory.
Musk is at the moment just a nasty trouble maker but if he continues down this route I assume some European countries will take this up with Trump. France is certainly not going to be a push over in this respect.

Maremia

He is not interested in the victims . He is weaponising their trauma for his own ends.

This is a subjective judgment unless you know the man personally, maremia.

You could be right of course, but I think it's equally possible Musk actually does care about justice and that's why he spoke up.

Maremia

He is not interested in the victims . He is weaponising their trauma for his own ends.

Exactly.
Is diabolical.

He is not interested in the victims . He is weaponising their trauma for his own ends.