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A Note to Elon Musk

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 10-Jan-25 11:22:41

To:
@elonmusk

From: 80% of UK citizens
Subject: The UK Government

I fear you are ignorant of the constitutional workings of the UK. The following facts may not be to your liking but they are facts nonetheless and no amount of disinformation posted by you and other US and UK citizens on this platform who are uninformed as to how things work in our little group of islands on this side of the pond will change that reality.

1. In July 2024, the UK held a general election the result of which was an overwhelming victory for the Labour party.
2. As leader of the party that had secured a majority of seats in the House of Commons, Keir Starmer was invited by the King to form a government. Starmer accepted the King's invitation. In the UK, that is the only mechanism by which one can become Prime Minister; one does not 'run' for the position (Andrew Tate take note).
3. As of today, the Labour government has an effective working majority of 165 votes in the House of Commons.
4. A new general election may only be called as a result of the Monarch's agreement to such a request by the sitting Prime Minister, or as a result of the government losing a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons. Neither case is remotely likely to occur.
5. Any idea you may have of whipping up mass #FarageRiots amongst the ignorant and unschooled who follow you will not work; unlike your Executive, ours is not subject to a Posse Comitatus Act and should it really becme necessary, our military may be used to restore order.
6. Despite the beliefs of said unschooled ignoramuses mentioned above, King Charles III is a constitutional monarch who may act only with the consent of the Prime Minister. He cannot dissolve Parliament, he cannot call a general election, he cannot, to use your terminology, 'fire' any elected official.
7. Despite the beliefs of the above mentioned uneducated, Magna Carta is no longer in force in the UK - we have moved on and thankfully we now have the Human Rights Act passed by the Blair government in 1998 that gives legal effect to the ECHR, drafted by British Lawyers in the early 1950s.
8. The majority of US citizens, even some republicans, understand that they have not elected you to any office whatsoever and they are quite concerned by your meglomania.

I hope this helps - it's always best to have a good and detailed understanding of any country with which you intend to interfere - if only the US had learned that before they invaded Iraq and found no weapons of mass detruction and no evidence of Iraqi involvement in the 9/11 attrocity. Surely the US did not invade just for the oil?

I suggest you have a cup of tea, a slice of fruit cake and calm down.

Pip pip!

ft.com/content

Grandmabatty Fri 10-Jan-25 11:25:03

Hear hear! I don't think we are alone. Germany and France are very unhappy with Musk interfering

Allira Fri 10-Jan-25 11:25:21

👏👏👏

Brilliant 🙂

LizzieDrip Fri 10-Jan-25 11:33:42

Hear hear 👏👏👏👏👏

Allira Fri 10-Jan-25 11:39:15

I suggest you have a cup of tea
He sounds as if he's trying to start another Boston Tea Party anyway.

A coffee and a slice of American Pie perhaps?

Wyllow3 Fri 10-Jan-25 11:48:49

This is an interesting article in Sky News about how Musk operates - finds an "issue/topic" which is likely to to ignite division, debate - in this case of course in the UK grooming gangs - and uses it for his own ends (in this case for example Tommy Robinson and telling Farage he is not fit to run Reform)

news.sky.com/story/right-wing-accounts-on-x-prompted-elon-musk-to-find-interest-in-grooming-gangs-scandal-sky-news-analysis-finds-13285622

AGAA4 Fri 10-Jan-25 12:07:25

Musk is a man who has everything he needs and much more. He has to have a reason to get up every day and instead of using his great wealth for good he is meddling in other countries business and causing problems. He is a destructive influence.
I do like the note from * Whitewave*

GrannyGravy13 Fri 10-Jan-25 12:14:05

I am not defending Elon Musk but it is on record that he had donated over $6 billion to charity (as of 2022)

His spacex satellites are keeping Ukraine connected to the world apparently free of charge.

His companies R & D on electric vehicles should help with climate change as well.

I am not in favour of his pronouncements on U.K. politics, but neither am I in favour of Bill Gates and the CEO of Black Rock cosying up to Keir Starmer.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 10-Jan-25 12:19:08

Well I’m in the minority on this topic. I’m grateful to Musk for firing off salvos about the Pakistani rape gangs and the shocking complacency.. He has dragged this into the limelight. We’ve heard more about this in the last 10 days than in the last 10 years. Good for Elon Musk I say.

Yes some of what he says is a nonsense as he doesn’t understand our constitution. Like comparing apples and pears. But for this alone I salute him. He’s dared (free speech) to be directly scathing of how both governments denied it was happening at first then tried to deflect. Both parties have done much too little.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 10-Jan-25 12:22:23

FG2 if his pronouncements on the Pakistani Rape Gangs leads to a positive outcome for the victims then I will be thankful to him.

It seems a too hot potato for the powers that be.

ronib Fri 10-Jan-25 12:23:37

There’s just one little omission from the list - and that is ….. the Labour government has only a small percentage of eligible votes. A fluke result. So Musk is talking to the masses who did not vote in Uk elections. The dispossessed?

Indigo8 Fri 10-Jan-25 12:28:21

You are entitled to your opinions FGT

Personally, I think we need to cut off the oxygen of publicity, that Elon Musk so obviously enjoys, just ignore him and hope he goes away.

Kandinsky Fri 10-Jan-25 12:29:08

FriedGreenTomatoes2
Totally agree.

I hope he keeps the pressure up!

Cossy Fri 10-Jan-25 12:31:50

WW

Well said 👏👏👏

In terms of Pakastani Rape Gangs, there are paedophile rings (sorry I know it’s an incorrect spelling!) across the UK, of all race/nationalities. No more inquiries needed, action is what we need and local and central govt putting plans into action, sharing information and working more closely with schools and social care.

What we definitely do NOT need is Musk and Trump advising us how to move forward.

They need to look at their own country’s shortcomings, gangs, gun crime and child pornography and put this right before criticising any other country.

Trump, Farage, Musk all need to concentrate on their OWN jobs.

Cossy Fri 10-Jan-25 12:32:09

Indigo8

You are entitled to your opinions FGT

Personally, I think we need to cut off the oxygen of publicity, that Elon Musk so obviously enjoys, just ignore him and hope he goes away.

👏👏👏👏👏

Iam64 Fri 10-Jan-25 12:32:24

He isn’t helping the victims nor does he give a flying fig about them,
Yes the Jay report recommendations need implementing

Cossy Fri 10-Jan-25 12:34:37

ronib

There’s just one little omission from the list - and that is ….. the Labour government has only a small percentage of eligible votes. A fluke result. So Musk is talking to the masses who did not vote in Uk elections. The dispossessed?

The same could be said of many elections, in many countries. It’s none of Musk’s or Trump’s business and it causes totally unwanted trouble and chaos.

Did you support the riots and violence after the last US election? (When the Democrats took power)

Wyllow3 Fri 10-Jan-25 12:36:41

As the article says,

"Condemnation of rape and grooming gangs isn't far-right in itself: the entire British public shares exactly the same position."

The article uses the example on the "how" of Musk uses his platform and contacts to try and influence Europe governments, to cause civil discontent, to push forward the likes of Tommy Robinson.
Look at the graphs in the article, and lists who how has been in contact in most of all.

Tizliz Fri 10-Jan-25 12:36:47

Interested article from the BBC

Elon Musk's online attacks on former Labour Prime Minister Gordon Brown over grooming gangs draw on a baseless claim about a Home Office memo supposedly issued 17 years ago, research by BBC Verify has established

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g2g7qgl1eo

Kandinsky Fri 10-Jan-25 12:36:48

He isn’t helping the victims nor does he give a flying fig about them

Who does?
Not many people sadly.
Which is why we need people like him to keep this issue in the news.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 10-Jan-25 12:39:10

Iam64

He isn’t helping the victims nor does he give a flying fig about them,
Yes the Jay report recommendations need implementing

If EM pronouncements give the current Government a proverbial kick up the backside and the Jay report recommendations are implemented it will benefit all.

Claremont Fri 10-Jan-25 12:40:28

Kandinsky

FriedGreenTomatoes2
Totally agree.

I hope he keeps the pressure up!

I do wonder why he never raised this during the 14 years the Tories totally ignored it and refused to implement the 20 very clear and serious recommendation made by the full enquiry?

Strange no? Neither did Badenoch or Jenrick, for that matter.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 10-Jan-25 12:43:06

Claremont

Kandinsky

FriedGreenTomatoes2
Totally agree.

I hope he keeps the pressure up!

I do wonder why he never raised this during the 14 years the Tories totally ignored it and refused to implement the 20 very clear and serious recommendation made by the full enquiry?

Strange no? Neither did Badenoch or Jenrick, for that matter.

One of the first things Rishi Sunak did when he became PM was push to have arrests of grooming gang members.

Over 500 arrests were made, many young girls were saved.

Not enough, I know but it was a start.

Source U.Gov.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 10-Jan-25 12:43:34

The Jay report (although welcome) was too wide ranging to focus on the heinous crimes committed by the Pakistani rape gangs. Horrifically too, this is STILL going on, hence the now urgent need for action.

A friend of mine read pretty much the whole report. She said Rochdale got a short paragraph. And it wasn’t about the Pakistani rape gangs, it was about Cyril Smith. Sigh.

And re Cyril Smith: the police inquiry closed due to ‘lack of evidence’.

Iam64 Fri 10-Jan-25 12:58:51

Re Cyril Smith - it isn’t true the police inquiry closed for ‘lack of evidence’.
One interview with him was stopped when ‘men in suits from London’ arrived.
Lancashire police subsequently sent papers to the CPS. They were returned ‘not in the public interest to prosecute’. Senior officers went the the Chief Constable who reviewed the file and agreed Smith should be prosecuted. Those men in suits arrived at the CID office, assembled the team, removed all papers and told the team if the ever spoke about this, prison for breaching the OS was likely, being sacked a certainty.

This is all in the public domaine, one of the sergeants gave a detailed interview