A Note to Elon Musk

I have a great deal of respect for Nazir Afzal

Yes, HPQ, so do I. He is a good man.

LizzieDrip

FGT and Kandinsky regarding the question of who actually cares about the victims of the rape gangs, I think you may (or may not) agree that Nazir Afzal knows and cares more than anyone else - certainly more than EM.

Mr Afzal gave an interview on LBC with James O’Brien this morning, in which he unequivocally sets the record straight … about EM, Keir Starmer, the police and any further enquiry.

In that interview, he states that over the past few days, since EM piped up, many of the victims have contacted Mr Afzal to say that they are being re-traumatised by all the current publicity.

You may believe whatever (and whoever) you choose. Take your ‘truth’ from EM if you wish, but please don’t harm those poor girls even further by pretending he cares about them!

I have a great deal of respect for Nazir Afzal.

LizzieDrip

FGT and Kandinsky regarding the question of who actually cares about the victims of the rape gangs, I think you may (or may not) agree that Nazir Afzal knows and cares more than anyone else - certainly more than EM.

Mr Afzal gave an interview on LBC with James O’Brien this morning, in which he unequivocally sets the record straight … about EM, Keir Starmer, the police and any further enquiry.

In that interview, he states that over the past few days, since EM piped up, many of the victims have contacted Mr Afzal to say that they are being re-traumatised by all the current publicity.

You may believe whatever (and whoever) you choose. Take your ‘truth’ from EM if you wish, but please don’t harm those poor girls even further by pretending he cares about them!

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time to stop believing Musk uncritically as regards his motivations.

FGT and Kandinsky regarding the question of who actually cares about the victims of the rape gangs, I think you may (or may not) agree that Nazir Afzal knows and cares more than anyone else - certainly more than EM.

Mr Afzal gave an interview on LBC with James O’Brien this morning, in which he unequivocally sets the record straight … about EM, Keir Starmer, the police and any further enquiry.

In that interview, he states that over the past few days, since EM piped up, many of the victims have contacted Mr Afzal to say that they are being re-traumatised by all the current publicity.

You may believe whatever (and whoever) you choose. Take your ‘truth’ from EM if you wish, but please don’t harm those poor girls even further by pretending he cares about them!

A lawyer speaking on the radio this morning said that it is entirely wrong to speak of Pakistani Rape Gangs.

The term is paedophile ring ,which encompasses all the potential groups who are intent on harm and not confining it to a certain group, because distinguishing a certain group in such terms muddles the waters for the victims.

Why do people want another enquiry? It's only because Musk has been d manding it. We need action from the last one.
Another enquiry will take years when people involved know what needs to be done and should be acted on now.

I don't think we need another enquiry into the rape gang. What we do need is an enquiry into why it was decided not to prosecute and who made that decision

HousePlantQueen

FGT, your support for an unelected man interfering in another countries' politics is rather contrary to your vociferous support for that marvellous financial and economic success that was Brexit. i thought you wanted to stop unelected foreigners meddling?

Absolutely.

And patriotism?

But that's how Musk and others using populist propaganda operate - pick off a particular aspect that is likely to inflame and may have a "gotcha" element

And, btw, he has not shown any of this concern to similar issues in the USA

"In the world the rest of us occupy, the abuse of girls in the north of England was very real, and there have been real and extreme injustices detailed by journalists and campaigners such as Julie Bindel, in her groundbreaking report in the Times in 2007, a source that Musk has not, for some reason, chosen to cite.
As he must know, making accusations of child sexual abuse is one of the quickest and most effective triggers of sanctimonious outrage, a call to arms for a certain kind of man who loves to defend women in the abstract but may, to put it politely, struggle with them in real life."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/09/elon-musk-x-billionaire-david-brent-mars

The matter of the grooming gangs will not go away until the British public know the truth.

There needs to be an inquiry and that inquiry if it ever happens could bring down a lot of people.

Starmer and his cronies are scared of this, few people are brave enough to speak out so they will possibly get away with it.

If anyone is interested enough read up on Raja Miah and his fight to expose Oldham council.

Musk has stirred the hornets nest and that’s fine by me.

Musk has an agenda and I doubt it is in the best interests of the UK. I, too, question why he has only become interested in the Pakistani rape groups recently.
There is an ulterior motive behind everything he does and that includes donations to good causes.
Musk, Trump and Farage are only interested in themselves and care nothing for others.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well I’m in the minority on this topic. I’m grateful to Musk for firing off salvos about the Pakistani rape gangs and the shocking complacency.. He has dragged this into the limelight. We’ve heard more about this in the last 10 days than in the last 10 years. Good for Elon Musk I say.

Yes some of what he says is a nonsense as he doesn’t understand our constitution. Like comparing apples and pears. But for this alone I salute him. He’s dared (free speech) to be directly scathing of how both governments denied it was happening at first then tried to deflect. Both parties have done much too little.

Are you only worried about rape by Pakistanis? Some of us worry about rape fullstop.

Oreo

FriedGreenTomatoes2

The Jay report (although welcome) was too wide ranging to focus on the heinous crimes committed by the Pakistani rape gangs. Horrifically too, this is STILL going on, hence the now urgent need for action.

A friend of mine read pretty much the whole report. She said Rochdale got a short paragraph. And it wasn’t about the Pakistani rape gangs, it was about Cyril Smith. Sigh.

And re Cyril Smith: the police inquiry closed due to ‘lack of evidence’.

That’s why I welcome Andy Burnham wading into this by asking for some kind of investigation into the gangs.

Me too Oreo!

As the O/P points out Musk is out to use X to attack and disrupt in whatever ways he can find in the UK, has been doing since the summer, and he's also doing that to other centrist governments in Europe. His aim is to try and get a Europe ruled by the Tommy Robinsons of this world (apparently even Farage wasn't good enough) to suit his own agenda.

Under the guise of "freedom of speech" he uses lies and selective information on X, alters algorithms in order to favour content in his favour, calls for "polls" to try and achieve this end.

What hasn't come out in the UK so much is just how controversial he is in the USA, with law suits pending
www.mercurynews.com/2024/10/01/all-the-major-legal-battles-elon-musk-and-his-companies-are-facing/

Its debatable in the end in the UK however whether he'll actually do more damage to the right

either way, butt out!

HousePlantQueen excellent point, excellent post

He’s a meddler, listening to his father speak on TV yesterday I can see where it comes from, a vile, far right man, highly opinionated and extremely racist.

This country needs to deal with ALL perpetrators white, brown or black I worked for 10 years with abuse survivors and none were abused by Muslims or any race other than white Caucasians, of course a lot depends on the demographics of the area.
I dealt with people abused by fathers, stepfathers, uncles, teachers (this was a ring) youth leaders, church officials and church goers never once a person other than white
A lot of very well thought of people many whose criminal behaviour CPS chose to ignore
I remember going to high court with one mum who started proceedings when her child became the age she was when she was regularly abused It was a jury we were hopeful they would see her ruined life, but they found a non guilty verdict because the woman could not remember the dates the abuse happened (30 years previous ) she knew it happened every time herMum went to her night job but not exact dates

ALL prosecutions are very overdue no matter whatever race religion or persuasion the abuser comes from

It has nothing to do with him and I wish he would buggar off!!!

FriedGreenTomatoes2

The Jay report (although welcome) was too wide ranging to focus on the heinous crimes committed by the Pakistani rape gangs. Horrifically too, this is STILL going on, hence the now urgent need for action.

A friend of mine read pretty much the whole report. She said Rochdale got a short paragraph. And it wasn’t about the Pakistani rape gangs, it was about Cyril Smith. Sigh.

And re Cyril Smith: the police inquiry closed due to ‘lack of evidence’.

That’s why I welcome Andy Burnham wading into this by asking for some kind of investigation into the gangs.

Indigo8

You are entitled to your opinions FGT

Personally, I think we need to cut off the oxygen of publicity, that Elon Musk so obviously enjoys, just ignore him and hope he goes away.

I agree. Both Trump, Musk and Farage know how to manipulate the media and people give them far more attention than they deserve.
They are all just men on ego trips and I can't figure out why people don't see this.
Eventually they will all go away because their motivations are unsustainable. The worry is the amount of damage they can do in the meantime, which has been considerable on Farage's part.

FGT, your support for an unelected man interfering in another countries' politics is rather contrary to your vociferous support for that marvellous financial and economic success that was Brexit. i thought you wanted to stop unelected foreigners meddling?

Re Cyril Smith - it isn’t true the police inquiry closed for ‘lack of evidence’.
One interview with him was stopped when ‘men in suits from London’ arrived.
Lancashire police subsequently sent papers to the CPS. They were returned ‘not in the public interest to prosecute’. Senior officers went the the Chief Constable who reviewed the file and agreed Smith should be prosecuted. Those men in suits arrived at the CID office, assembled the team, removed all papers and told the team if the ever spoke about this, prison for breaching the OS was likely, being sacked a certainty.

This is all in the public domaine, one of the sergeants gave a detailed interview

The Jay report (although welcome) was too wide ranging to focus on the heinous crimes committed by the Pakistani rape gangs. Horrifically too, this is STILL going on, hence the now urgent need for action.

A friend of mine read pretty much the whole report. She said Rochdale got a short paragraph. And it wasn’t about the Pakistani rape gangs, it was about Cyril Smith. Sigh.

And re Cyril Smith: the police inquiry closed due to ‘lack of evidence’.

Claremont

Kandinsky

FriedGreenTomatoes2
Totally agree.

I hope he keeps the pressure up!

I do wonder why he never raised this during the 14 years the Tories totally ignored it and refused to implement the 20 very clear and serious recommendation made by the full enquiry?

Strange no? Neither did Badenoch or Jenrick, for that matter.

One of the first things Rishi Sunak did when he became PM was push to have arrests of grooming gang members.

Over 500 arrests were made, many young girls were saved.

Not enough, I know but it was a start.

Source U.Gov.

Kandinsky

FriedGreenTomatoes2
Totally agree.

I hope he keeps the pressure up!

I do wonder why he never raised this during the 14 years the Tories totally ignored it and refused to implement the 20 very clear and serious recommendation made by the full enquiry?

Strange no? Neither did Badenoch or Jenrick, for that matter.