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WORD PAIRS -APRIL 2026 (Old thread full )
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A Note to Elon Musk
(197 Posts)To:
@elonmusk
From: 80% of UK citizens
Subject: The UK Government
I fear you are ignorant of the constitutional workings of the UK. The following facts may not be to your liking but they are facts nonetheless and no amount of disinformation posted by you and other US and UK citizens on this platform who are uninformed as to how things work in our little group of islands on this side of the pond will change that reality.
1. In July 2024, the UK held a general election the result of which was an overwhelming victory for the Labour party.
2. As leader of the party that had secured a majority of seats in the House of Commons, Keir Starmer was invited by the King to form a government. Starmer accepted the King's invitation. In the UK, that is the only mechanism by which one can become Prime Minister; one does not 'run' for the position (Andrew Tate take note).
3. As of today, the Labour government has an effective working majority of 165 votes in the House of Commons.
4. A new general election may only be called as a result of the Monarch's agreement to such a request by the sitting Prime Minister, or as a result of the government losing a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons. Neither case is remotely likely to occur.
5. Any idea you may have of whipping up mass #FarageRiots amongst the ignorant and unschooled who follow you will not work; unlike your Executive, ours is not subject to a Posse Comitatus Act and should it really becme necessary, our military may be used to restore order.
6. Despite the beliefs of said unschooled ignoramuses mentioned above, King Charles III is a constitutional monarch who may act only with the consent of the Prime Minister. He cannot dissolve Parliament, he cannot call a general election, he cannot, to use your terminology, 'fire' any elected official.
7. Despite the beliefs of the above mentioned uneducated, Magna Carta is no longer in force in the UK - we have moved on and thankfully we now have the Human Rights Act passed by the Blair government in 1998 that gives legal effect to the ECHR, drafted by British Lawyers in the early 1950s.
8. The majority of US citizens, even some republicans, understand that they have not elected you to any office whatsoever and they are quite concerned by your meglomania.
I hope this helps - it's always best to have a good and detailed understanding of any country with which you intend to interfere - if only the US had learned that before they invaded Iraq and found no weapons of mass detruction and no evidence of Iraqi involvement in the 9/11 attrocity. Surely the US did not invade just for the oil?
I suggest you have a cup of tea, a slice of fruit cake and calm down.
Pip pip!
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Well given the lies Musk posts it just makes me more concerned he'll set off AI algorithms on topics and do goodness knows what with them. Don't trust him at all.
Wyllow3
Whoops. Wrong quote on the Musk invention about the EU, its here
www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/elon-musk-says-european-commission-offered-x-secret-deal-to-quietly-censor-speech/3273762
(mind you, the one I quoted in error is pretty weird,
titled
"Musk suggests real-world data ‘exhausted’ for AI training
Billionaire owner of X suggests shift to ‘synthetic’ data, though some warn of ‘model collapse’)
... (mind you, the one I quoted in error is pretty weird, titled "Musk suggests real-world data ‘exhausted’ for AI training"
I read it, too - have not really any idea what it all means.
Synthetic data - hallucinations ??? huh? Data can hallucinate?
Anyway, my 16 year old grandson, who is discovering George Orwell, HG Wells, Asimov, etc, reckons that great modern-day authors will ultimately become historical relics as AI will take over the authorship of novels, fact and fiction, which will all be read online. He actually believes that people will in fact no longer write stories, they will all be artificially generated.
It seems far-fetched, but who knows?
I have never used nor looked at Facebook or Twitter
Wow, FGT, I’m surprised!
You appear well informed on the rhetoric of Twitter & Facebook. Where do you get your ‘news’ from?
I read X a lot, I like the community notes which tend to challenge some of the nonsense. I think the world has changed, and the institutions such as the papers and the BBC are struggling to catch up. To be honest I have seen just as bad misinformation on the BBC, death threats on bluesky, etc.
GBNews are having a field day with this. Programme on tonight about the Asian Grooming gangs fyi.
Whoops. Wrong quote on the Musk invention about the EU, its here
www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/elon-musk-says-european-commission-offered-x-secret-deal-to-quietly-censor-speech/3273762
(mind you, the one I quoted in error is pretty weird,
titled
"Musk suggests real-world data ‘exhausted’ for AI training
Billionaire owner of X suggests shift to ‘synthetic’ data, though some warn of ‘model collapse’)
FriedGreenTomatoes2
When the news available to the public was controlled by the BBC or the business companies like ITV which are essentially clones of the BBC with added adverts…..the elite were happy. They controlled the narrative more or less. But with the rise of the vloggers like Joe Rogan and Facebook and Tic Toc and Twitter - followers by the increasingly ignored MSM - the elite are worried.
The elite in the EU want to censor X and Facebook. The offered Musk immunity from prosecution if he would censor stuff they don’t like.
So no point quoting the Telegraph anymore clearly, since its in control of this "elite?"
"The elite in the EU want to censor X and Facebook. The offered Musk immunity from prosecution if he would censor stuff they don’t like."
Not true. Read here: www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/musk-suggests-real-world-data-exhausted-for-ai-training/3447329
Plenty of lies out there on X at the moment. No need to add to them.
FriedGreenTomatoes2
Labour not left wing? 😂
I do like your deflection Babs.
Labour not left wing? 😂
I think the current Labour government is more like a denatured Liberal party.
It has some support from factions both Left and Right.
Reeve's and Starmer's narrative of "difficult decisions" etc, is not Left wing rhetoric. It's reminiscent of Cameron and Osborne's "we're all in it together" - as is the economic forecasting which has led to the 'adjustable' black-hole.
Starmer wanted to "make Brexit work" - an attempt surely to appease both Remain and Leave voters?
A truly Left Wing government would support a strong trades-union movement. Scargill-type movement.
Corbyn is Left Wing. Starmer isn't. That's partly why he suspended him. He's an idealist who hasn't yet realised that you cannot knit together a very divided nation and serve both the hare and the hounds.
The Labour movement of the industrial era is dead. No Labour party of that stripe would ever gain power.
I have never used nor looked at Facebook or Twitter.
Just pointing out the diverse opportunities nowadays that (Young especially) gather news.
FriedGreenTomatoes2
When the news available to the public was controlled by the BBC or the business companies like ITV which are essentially clones of the BBC with added adverts…..the elite were happy. They controlled the narrative more or less. But with the rise of the vloggers like Joe Rogan and Facebook and Tic Toc and Twitter - followers by the increasingly ignored MSM - the elite are worried.
The elite in the EU want to censor X and Facebook. The offered Musk immunity from prosecution if he would censor stuff they don’t like.
I am seriously concerned at the the number of people who will decry any view which does not support their own opinions, and promote those that do.
Why are you happy that Facebook and X are able to publish anything they wish, anything even if it is untrue? Seriously?
These people aren't freedom fighters, FGT, they are dangerous disruptors, and it concerns me just how many people are prepared to believe whatever bile they spew out.
Blimey FGT you really are disappearing down the rabbit hole.
Labour not left wing? 😂
I do like your deflection Babs.
When the news available to the public was controlled by the BBC or the business companies like ITV which are essentially clones of the BBC with added adverts…..the elite were happy. They controlled the narrative more or less. But with the rise of the vloggers like Joe Rogan and Facebook and Tic Toc and Twitter - followers by the increasingly ignored MSM - the elite are worried.
The elite in the EU want to censor X and Facebook. The offered Musk immunity from prosecution if he would censor stuff they don’t like.
FriedGreenTomatoes2
From The Telegraph:
“You may ask why so many on the Left sound more outraged by Mr Musk than by the horrors he’s tweeting about. Personally, though, I think they have good reason to be scared.
Not because Mr Musk is a threat to public order, as they claim. It’s because he’s a threat to the Left itself. He’s doing a far better job of exposing its cowardice and hypocrisy than any opposition party.
So they aren’t frightened for us. They’re frightened for their jobs.”
FGT I must beg to differ.
Firstly Labour are by no means left wing and secondly the inquiry occurred on the Tories watch.
FriedGreenTomatoes2
From The Telegraph:
“You may ask why so many on the Left sound more outraged by Mr Musk than by the horrors he’s tweeting about. Personally, though, I think they have good reason to be scared.
Not because Mr Musk is a threat to public order, as they claim. It’s because he’s a threat to the Left itself. He’s doing a far better job of exposing its cowardice and hypocrisy than any opposition party.
So they aren’t frightened for us. They’re frightened for their jobs.”
Anything to say about his enthusiastic support of AfD and the Freedom Party?
That is what is important. We are ALL at risk from that support. Whether right, left or centre. Even Farage isn’t right wing enough for Musk.
From The Telegraph:
“You may ask why so many on the Left sound more outraged by Mr Musk than by the horrors he’s tweeting about. Personally, though, I think they have good reason to be scared.
Not because Mr Musk is a threat to public order, as they claim. It’s because he’s a threat to the Left itself. He’s doing a far better job of exposing its cowardice and hypocrisy than any opposition party.
So they aren’t frightened for us. They’re frightened for their jobs.”
The hatred of Islam and Jews is common to all the neo-Nazi groups throughout Europe, and Musk is an enthusiastic supporter of the AfD, and the Freedom Party Party of Austria, who both are exponents of re-placement theory. Kikl is almost certainly the next chancellor of Austria and will come in direct contact with the rule of law, HR etc in the EU.
This really is shades of the 20/30s. Never, ever be so naive as to believe Musk’s innocence in the drive towards the far right.
We are going to talk about this. All these tactics have been used before. Be kind. We have seen this before and it was a disaster for women and children.
The dangers of Musk and Musk inspired lies are all too obvious - attacks on men who look "Asian", buying into prejudicial stereotypes. Tarring all with same brush.
WWM2 pointed out on another thread yesterday some examples of just what is appearing on X - one example
"Another showing (an image) “British Patriots” cornering a young Asian man accusing him of gang rape"
......the result of Musk's propaganda and its passing along through social media where perfectly innocent men could be attacked just because of their ethnicity."
But I don't suppose it will persuade those who choose to believe the dangerous ramblings of Musk
No, I’m sure it won’t change minds HPQ. I’m sure they will continue to view the truth and facts of the matter as “bull s***” 🤷♀️
Maremia
Perhaps Rosie 51, but then we have just had the debate in the HOC, and the schools wellfare bill was passed, by a huge majority. He didn't develop or arrange that. The present Government under Starmer did that. Persecutions against the perpetrators have already begun. The process has started, slowly yes, but surely.
Prosecutions have been continuing slowly all the time - there is a timeline in the wiki Rotherham report. The 2022 report gave focus, structures, and direction.
But as far as I understand it, most of the demands for a new inquiry is based on the ideas circulating that there was a planned, systemic and deliberate cover up. ie the claims for "genocidal rape" perpetrated by extremists.
But when you read the Rotherham report you can see as early as 2015 some individuals were being sacked, named, for delays and cover ups in a whole series of reports that were out in the press at the time, not "kept secret".
LizzieDrip
For those still cheering on Musk, you might want to read the following:
www.opendemocracy.net/en/far-right-elon-musk-grooming-gangs-britain-keir-starmer-tommy-robinson-great-replacement/?utm_source=SEGMENT%20-%20Newsletter%3A%20oD%20weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Elon%20Musk%27s%20posts%20on%20British%20grooming%20gangs%20rooted%20in%20conspiracy&_kx=xy6azI7idRy14YuNstM0LX9hUVmdnUplUVBgmUP0TjE.YjCYwm
A very interesting and enlightening read, especially the clarification of the part played by Starmer. But I don't suppose it will persuade those who choose to believe the dangerous ramblings of Musk.
Baggs, Ros Atkins concluded his indepth study of Musk's prolific tweets on this subject by saying,
'His concern about the subject doesn't extend to being truthful when addressing it'.
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