Why do you support Labour?

It’s silly to agree with everything Labour do in a tribal way, and doesn’t do anyone any good

Rather a ‘goady’ comment IMO Oreo.

If you’re addressing it to me, I don’t agree with everything Labour do in a tribal way - rather insulting.

I happen to agree with Labour’s mean testing of the WFA. That’s my opinion and, as far as I know, am still allowed to my opinion!

Casdon

Oreo

Indigo8

I have found several threads attacking Labour "goady" and one particularly offensive one is still running.

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Report anything goady and suspicious, if the mods agree it will vanish, if not it won’t.

I think a lot of us are bigger than that. Goady posts show up the poster for who they are, and nobody is obliged to reply in like vein. If there were no goady posts it would be a lot more constructive on here, but also much duller.

Yet the poster is complaining about ‘offensive’ threads so perhaps should complain where it matters to her.

You consider goading threads and posts exciting?I’d prefer dull and constructive.

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LizzieDrip

^I have found several threads attacking Labour "goady" and one particularly offensive one is still running^

My thoughts exactly indigo. It would appear some ‘goady threads’ are more equal than others!

So what are you saying about the moderators? I think they have a very good handle on why threads are started and tone.

Mamie Latin is very useful in a number of ways - in law Latin is frequently used - Starmer must know this. The two classicists I know have very advanced linguistic ability and can easily pick up new languages. Also the discipline of learning Latin is not confined to only that specific subject but helps in persevering when learning difficult subjects. Oh I forgot we have AI now!!!

Mamie

ronib

All I want to know is why the party of opportunity has removed opportunity?

What opportunities do you think Latin provides in the twenty-first century ronib?
All I can say is, that it was mildly useful for A level French in 1968.
I guess you can try and show off to the gullible like Boris Johnson does, but proper classicists say he gets quite a lot wrong.
What subjects would you take out of the National Curriculum in order to include it?
What would be its particular use in the workplace?

Latin is a gateway language.

It is widely used in medicine, botany, sciences. It helps with learning other Mediterranean languages and even with the origin of many English words.

State school pupils should not have this option removed, as it will limit their degree choices.

LizzieDrip

^I have found several threads attacking Labour "goady" and one particularly offensive one is still running^

My thoughts exactly indigo. It would appear some ‘goady threads’ are more equal than others!

Indeed. And speaking up for Labour is considered blind support, whilst constant sniping is supposedly even-handed criticism if 'balanced' by stating something vague about how the Conservatives made some mistakes in their 14 years in power.

Oreo

Indigo8

I have found several threads attacking Labour "goady" and one particularly offensive one is still running.

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Report anything goady and suspicious, if the mods agree it will vanish, if not it won’t.

I think a lot of us are bigger than that. Goady posts show up the poster for who they are, and nobody is obliged to reply in like vein. If there were no goady posts it would be a lot more constructive on here, but also much duller.

LizzieDrip

^Taking away the WFA^

Correction Oreo … means testing the WFA.

Means testing it extremely badly which most people, plus posters on forums plus many institutions all agree on.
A UK estimate is something like 88,000 pensioners just miss out.
It’s silly to agree with everything Labour do in a tribal way, and doesn’t do anyone any good.

Wyllow3

The Reform thread was getting very nasty, and I do believe it was set up by the nature O/P.

I was trying to think up a way of saying to Beeches (whom I took to be a new poster, but doubt has been thrown on that),

advice as to please dont do that because it always ends badly (or as the moderators say at the end of such a thread words along the lines of "this was never going to end well".

We get goading anyway and in the end, what does it profit us? It just ruins possible decent discussions. There was a lot of detail on the Reform thread which we've now lost.

Well not quite, actually.
The moderators said that the thread has now been removed due to the goading tone of it, the OP.In other words it was never going to be a debate really.

We aren’t obliged to say how we vote but during coffee at our neighbourhood watch meeting last night, those (about 50%) who were willing to discuss voting had this to say

1. I voted Labour. They sounded good in the run-up to the election even though they’ve been a bit disappointing since. There’s still time.
2. I have always voted Labour even when it was Jeremy Corbyn we would have been electing.

3. My parents always vote Labour so that’s what I do.

4.. I voted Labour to get the Tories out, but then I voted Conservative last time to get Labour out.

5. I voted Green. We have a good Green MP who has done a lot for the local area.

6. I voted LibDem. I always do. I trust them more than either of the two main parties.

7. A couple of very daring members said they voted Conservative. They don’t see KS as being trustworthy and capable of choosing the right people for the job.
Of course their view was supported by all the kerfuffle about Tulip.

ronib

All I want to know is why the party of opportunity has removed opportunity?

What opportunities do you think Latin provides in the twenty-first century ronib?
All I can say is, that it was mildly useful for A level French in 1968.
I guess you can try and show off to the gullible like Boris Johnson does, but proper classicists say he gets quite a lot wrong.
What subjects would you take out of the National Curriculum in order to include it?
What would be its particular use in the workplace?

The Reform thread was getting very nasty, and I do believe it was set up by the nature O/P.

I was trying to think up a way of saying to Beeches (whom I took to be a new poster, but doubt has been thrown on that),

advice as to please dont do that because it always ends badly (or as the moderators say at the end of such a thread words along the lines of "this was never going to end well".

We get goading anyway and in the end, what does it profit us? It just ruins possible decent discussions. There was a lot of detail on the Reform thread which we've now lost.

Taking away the WFA

Correction Oreo … means testing the WFA.

Labour has been a really good party in the past but this current mob are a disgrace and bring it into disrepute. To the extent that people swing to another unknown party that may or may not be better for them - desperation.

LizzieDrip

I support Labour because:

They have a commitment to social justice - a belief that all citizens should be able to reach their potential, no matter what their background.

They have a commitment to public services for the benefit of all in society e.g. the NHS free at the point of need; a good education system for all; a properly functioning justice system.

They have a commitment to address the climate emergency the world is facing.

They have shown some commitment to re-distribution of wealth e.g. means testing the WFA; removing the tax break for private schools; revising the unequal inheritance tax enjoyed be farmers. (I would like them to go even further in the area of wealth distribution). Those with the broadest shoulders should contribute more to society.

They have a commitment to addressing the UK’s housing crisis e.g. revising planning systems; affordable house building.

They have a commitment to break the cycle of gangs exploiting immigrants. They are processing asylum claims in a timely fashion.

They have a commitment to the UK remaining a member of the ECHR.

They want closer trading links with our nearest trading partner - Europe.

The PM and current cabinet are the most working class the UK has ever had. They understand the lived experience of working class people.

The PM particularly has a deep commitment to human rights.

I think that’ll do for now Beeches

Yep, spot on Lizzie, well said.

I also think Labour have a harder time in gov't cos so many of our newspapers are right wing cos they are owned by billionaires.

The person in charge of the BBC was appointed by Boris so jobs in the politics dept tend to go to Tories so BBC news goes heavy on anything that shows Labour in a derogatory way.

I don't mind what sort of Labour we have, whether left wing or otherwise, I prefer the left of the party but I'll take whatever we get.

I think Keir etc needs more time but I do think he's a dull old barrister, when you compare him with Jimmy Carter who smiled all the time Carter wins for charm appeal & I do think that matters, it must be why Farage and Trump have followers, though I can't see it myself.

I have found several threads attacking Labour "goady" and one particularly offensive one is still running

My thoughts exactly indigo. It would appear some ‘goady threads’ are more equal than others!

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

I am pleased to see so many positive replies.

Sometimes the negativity on this forum is depressing, and I wonder at such short memories.

Positive, or trying to be but don’t put your head in the sand as the Government has done quite a few stupid things too in the six months in power.I’m puzzled as to why they have and hoping it’s not general incompetence.

They’ve done some pretty good things, too, but don’t seem to get much recognition for them. Even from ‘Labour supporters’ such as yourself .

All I want to know is why the party of opportunity has removed opportunity?

Indigo8

I have found several threads attacking Labour "goady" and one particularly offensive one is still running.

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Report anything goady and suspicious, if the mods agree it will vanish, if not it won’t.

You’re off down a sideline ronib. Do you think people support Labour because they don’t want Latin taught in state schools? Would that be a significant factor in their decision?

That’s a good point ronib. It was many years ago and I don’t know if things have changed, but at least O level Latin was a prerequisite for one degree course I was considering.

It may not be, but I said ‘don’t’ and not that you have.
Taking away the WFA in the way that they did it, alienating businesses by the NI hike and employee wage hike at the same time, angering our farmers by showing nothing is understood about rural and farming lives, the Chagos Islands fiasco costing billions are just some of the stupid decisions so far.

Wwm2 since you are a Labour enthusiast, do you understand/agree that Latin should be dropped as a subject in all State schools? I guess it was introduced by the Conservatives but some pupils might be really enjoying the subject. So why does it have to be the privilege of the privately educated?