Badenoch admits that there was no plan.

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70 are you really implying that those who voted to leave the EU are in the same league as facists, BNP and other far right extremists?

Unbelievable!

No. Just that people from those organisations would have voted leave and that it empowered them.

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70 are you really implying that those who voted to leave the EU are in the same league as facists, BNP and other far right extremists?

Unbelievable!

I pointed that implication out earlier, but the answer was that it was only some people.

MayBee70 are you really implying that those who voted to leave the EU are in the same league as facists, BNP and other far right extremists?

Unbelievable!

Allira

MayBee70

petra

MayBee70

Imo the referendum tapped into the racism and xenophobia that existed in this country. And, sadly, still does….

Would you say Swedes were racist. If you read this article it would appear Sweden have thought long and hard on how to resolve their problems with immigration.

www.government.se/government-policy/swedens-new-migration-policy/

There are people that are concerned about illegal immigration. I’m probably one of them to be perfectly honest. But there are also people that approach it purely from a position of racism and xenophobia; the sort of people that were in the BNP and its later incarnations. I do think there’s racism in Sweden but, being honest again, it’s only from watching Scandi noir programmes.

Most of these extreme right fascist parties seem to die a death. From the BNP arose True Brits (I think) but are they still in existence?
Brexiteers and even the far right Reform are not in the same category as those extremists.

They are in the same category.They just change their name because they have to.

General - Farage has distanced himself, because he is following his own agenda, but there is a large majority of the reform group who support the neo-Nazis.

Is that general or a splinter group?

That isn’t quite right, as a faction of Reform supports Tommy Robinson, the AfD and the Austrian fascists.

MayBee70

petra

MayBee70

Imo the referendum tapped into the racism and xenophobia that existed in this country. And, sadly, still does….

Would you say Swedes were racist. If you read this article it would appear Sweden have thought long and hard on how to resolve their problems with immigration.

www.government.se/government-policy/swedens-new-migration-policy/

There are people that are concerned about illegal immigration. I’m probably one of them to be perfectly honest. But there are also people that approach it purely from a position of racism and xenophobia; the sort of people that were in the BNP and its later incarnations. I do think there’s racism in Sweden but, being honest again, it’s only from watching Scandi noir programmes.

Most of these extreme right fascist parties seem to die a death. From the BNP arose True Brits (I think) but are they still in existence?
Brexiteers and even the far right Reform are not in the same category as those extremists.

petra

MayBee70

Imo the referendum tapped into the racism and xenophobia that existed in this country. And, sadly, still does….

Would you say Swedes were racist. If you read this article it would appear Sweden have thought long and hard on how to resolve their problems with immigration.

www.government.se/government-policy/swedens-new-migration-policy/

There are people that are concerned about illegal immigration. I’m probably one of them to be perfectly honest. But there are also people that approach it purely from a position of racism and xenophobia; the sort of people that were in the BNP and its later incarnations. I do think there’s racism in Sweden but, being honest again, it’s only from watching Scandi noir programmes.

Oh, I forgot.

When she was a child she was 'middle class' but when she was 16 she became 'working class' by working part-time in McDonalds.
However, a year later she became middle class again because John Prescott was reported to say 'We're all middle class now', although John said that Tony Blair said it, not him. 🙂
I'm inclined to believe John.

Hope this all helps.

Allira

petra

wibblywobblywobblebottom

Who's Badenoch???

That was a tongue in cheek question, wasn’t it?

See my post for anyone who's been living under a rock 😁

That must have been a rock in a far off galaxy. 😂

MayBee70

Imo the referendum tapped into the racism and xenophobia that existed in this country. And, sadly, still does….

Would you say Swedes were racist. If you read this article it would appear Sweden have thought long and hard on how to resolve their problems with immigration.

www.government.se/government-policy/swedens-new-migration-policy/

petra

wibblywobblywobblebottom

Who's Badenoch???

That was a tongue in cheek question, wasn’t it?

See my post for anyone who's been living under a rock 😁

wibblywobblywobblebottom

Who's Badenoch???

Who indeed!

Badenoch wasn't an MP in 2016.
She became a London Assembly member in 2015 by default.
She did support Brexit in the EU Referendum so why? There was no exit plan.
She hacked into Harriet Harman's website when she was younger, a matter which was reported to Action Fraud.
She received adequate results for her 'A' levels in the UK but claimed she was a 'straight A student but that no-one in the British education system pushed her' 🤔

Now she's leader of the Conservative party.

I was old ish, late 50s, but in hospital almost comatose

wibblywobblywobblebottom

Who's Badenoch???

That was a tongue in cheek question, wasn’t it?

Who's Badenoch???

It was said that those who didn’t vote were mainly the young, so maybe the young aren’t as invested as many older people.

People voted leave or remain for many, varied and often complex reasons.
Most people I know thought it through very carefully indeed. They felt it was important to vote and I don't know anyone who didn't vote but obviously many didn't bother.
I remember some people interviewed on the television didn't even know what the EU was!

I didn’t say everybody. But those that did feel that way were empowered by Farage and his rhetoric and made the effort to vote. And they are still empowered by it.

MayBee70

Imo the referendum tapped into the racism and xenophobia that existed in this country. And, sadly, still does….

I agree about the racism and xenophobia, but that goes contrary to the idea that people would leap from their chairs and rush to vote remain.

Too few of us did that.

I find the implication that all those who voted leave were racist and xenophobic quite strange.

Imo the referendum tapped into the racism and xenophobia that existed in this country. And, sadly, still does….

GrannyGravy13

Old news Whitewavemark2 it is well known that David Cameron assumed that the remain side would win, and therefore had no contingency plans for a leave result.

Why do you think he resigned the next morning.

So did a lot of voters, which is presumably why they didn’t bother.

The Tory Party ruined itself by getting rid of some of its most able and honest MPs when the Buffoon was PM. They will probably take decades to recover.

Mollygo

orly

The referendum was about what the people wanted - in or out - not about a Tory plan because the Tories weren't advocating leaving the EU. It was the majority of those who voted that generated the move to leave. A plan then had to be formulated and as we well know no government plan will ever get support - there's always some opposition and in the case of Brexit it was the Remoaners.

The fact that over a million more people got off their bums and voted for Brexit, than those who didn’t bother continues to irritate me. That’s why we’re not in the EU.

Yes, so many were complacent and didn't bother to vote thinking remaining in the EU was a foregone result. The disbelief was palpable.
I do blame them.