Badenoch admits that there was no plan.

The politicians and mainstream press don't want to talk about this subject. It really is the elephant in the room. The UK has suffered economically quite a bit since the vote in 2016, and even more since the actual 2020 EU, (a noticable drop in sterling exchange rate, a reduction in business investment, and reduced trade, especially from SMEs, who unlike big businesses, can't afford the extra paperwork necessary to sell to Europe anymore). We can't get out of the ecomonic hole we are in without solving the problems brexit has caused. But NOBODY will talk about it. We need free-flowing trade and fully flexible movement of workers within our own continent in order to prosper and compete with the rest of the world. If Labour don't address this issue while in power, I can't see that the UK will ever prosper again. Labour are afraid to do anything, as some voters will go to reform next time. Nobody is putting the country's needs before their political interests. I'm really beginning to despise this country, and am becoming sad that my grandkids have to grow up facing this mess.

orly

The referendum was about what the people wanted - in or out - not about a Tory plan because the Tories weren't advocating leaving the EU. It was the majority of those who voted that generated the move to leave. A plan then had to be formulated and as we well know no government plan will ever get support - there's always some opposition and in the case of Brexit it was the Remoaners.

The fact that over a million more people got off their bums and voted for Brexit, than those who didn’t bother continues to irritate me. That’s why we’re not in the EU.

Romola

Kemi Badenoch is loud and aggressive in parliament, she is not silent at all.
Don't get me started on Brexit. I was ridiculed by some Gnetters for admitting that I cried when the leavers won.
Well, I have started. The Lib Dems are campaigning for closer ties with the EU, including joining the customs union, essential for any firm which exports to the EU (fewer since Brexit) also for freelance workers such as my musician DiL whose EU work has effectively dried up.
Dominic Grieve is VP of the European Movement. Other leading figures are Caroline Lucas, Michael Heseltine and Vince Cable. I wish Tony Blair would
get out of his comfort zone and join.

I’m pretty sure that vote leave never said that we’d leave the customs union. I don’t understand why we can’t just rejoin. But I know nothing about economics.

If Rory Stewart had been chosen as leader I would have been tempted to vote for them. They really missed a trick there.

MayBee70

If anyone sums up the Conservatives Party to me it’s Dominic Grieve. Such a decent politician who fell foul of Brexit and Johnson. He always looks like a haunted man to me ( I know he has that sort of demeanour anyway). I think it’s broken his heart watching his party destroy itself.

I’d add Alex Chalke and Rory Stewart. There are decent Tories, they just don’t get grass roots support, mores the pity. And I’m a Labour supporter..

And now they are believing in Farage. Is it the same folk, I wonder?

'Give him a chance. He's doing his best'. How many times in GN threads did we read that about Johnson?

Well, the work ahead now is to improve and repair relationships with Europe, as what's done is done. And keep the likes of Musk out of the picture over Europe. We did vote for sovereignty, didn't we....

Too many people believed in Johnson, “because he looks like a man you could have a pint with” or “he’s a lovable naughty boy”. These are the kind of people who voted Brexit and ruined our country.

orly

The referendum was about what the people wanted - in or out - not about a Tory plan because the Tories weren't advocating leaving the EU. It was the majority of those who voted that generated the move to leave. A plan then had to be formulated and as we well know no government plan will ever get support - there's always some opposition and in the case of Brexit it was the Remoaners.

It was however definitely a right wing cause orly on the whole, but there was considerable room for differences in how much we would cut ties with the EU.

There was no plan as to the vital structures - it was made up as it went along through frustrating years of failure to reach agreements

ie in terms of a "hard" or "soft" Brexit, and we got the "hard" hurried "oven ready"one that cut useful trade and customs links and has subsequently caused so many problems for business and diplomatic relationships.

They made so many mistakes and Brexit was right up there at the top. People followed like sheep instead of using their own brain.

The referendum was about what the people wanted - in or out - not about a Tory plan because the Tories weren't advocating leaving the EU. It was the majority of those who voted that generated the move to leave. A plan then had to be formulated and as we well know no government plan will ever get support - there's always some opposition and in the case of Brexit it was the Remoaners.

Kemi Badenoch is loud and aggressive in parliament, she is not silent at all.
Don't get me started on Brexit. I was ridiculed by some Gnetters for admitting that I cried when the leavers won.
Well, I have started. The Lib Dems are campaigning for closer ties with the EU, including joining the customs union, essential for any firm which exports to the EU (fewer since Brexit) also for freelance workers such as my musician DiL whose EU work has effectively dried up.
Dominic Grieve is VP of the European Movement. Other leading figures are Caroline Lucas, Michael Heseltine and Vince Cable. I wish Tony Blair would
get out of his comfort zone and join.

TanaMa

Perhaps if they all got on with what they are paid for (including heating in cold weather) which is Governing this Country, instead of the perpetual playing of the blame game, we might be in a better place. They are all - whatever Party - acting with such childish pettiness it gets boring!

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Perhaps if they all got on with what they are paid for (including heating in cold weather) which is Governing this Country, instead of the perpetual playing of the blame game, we might be in a better place. They are all - whatever Party - acting with such childish pettiness it gets boring!

All the current Tories, yes.

They are all the same, each out looking out for themselves, couldn't give two hoots about the electors.

Thanks Babs03, exactly how I feel. Many of our Conservative friends and family feel the same, and are totally poilitically 'homeless' now. They will never ever join Farage and co- nor could they join Labour. In some areas, they will join Lib-dems, but mostly, they will just abstain.

Whitewavemark2

I am so very much hoping that the Tories won’t turn to Farage in desperation, for lack of a good leader.

They have inflicted so many duds on us lately, like Johnson, Truss and Sunak and now Badenoch.

God help us all if they do!

LizzieDrip

Johnson, Farage, Gove, Cummings to name just 4, led this country blindfolded into the greatest economic disaster of the 21st (and 20th) Century.

I will NEVER forget the looks on the faces of Johnson and Gove the morning after the referendum result. As they got into a car they were surrounded by reporters asking “so, now you’ve won the referendum, what’s the plan”? I have never seen two more frightened individuals - rabbits in headlights doesn’t even come close.

Shame on them!

At least Badenoch has owned up to what many of us already knew - there was no plan! … although she was part of the government that kept dragging it through.

I will NEVER forgive the Tories and Farage for taking MY country out of the EU.

Well said and I wholeheartedly agree.

I agree that the best Tories were eliminated by Johnson. We need more centrists to balance out the hard right. I can remember when, though I would never vote Tory, I actually liked some Tory ministers, and could find common ground. That was decades ago sadly.

Parsley3

They might just do that, unfortunately WWM2.

If they do though, the centre ground Tories are going to defect because Farage is anathema to them, and many voters will be lost too.
I don't agree with her politics, but I do admire Badenough’s honesty, I think what you is what you get with her.

They might just do that, unfortunately WWM2.

If anyone sums up the Conservatives Party to me it’s Dominic Grieve. Such a decent politician who fell foul of Brexit and Johnson. He always looks like a haunted man to me ( I know he has that sort of demeanour anyway). I think it’s broken his heart watching his party destroy itself.

I am so very much hoping that the Tories won’t turn to Farage in desperation, for lack of a good leader.

They have inflicted so many duds on us lately, like Johnson, Truss and Sunak and now Badenoch.