Shocking news this morning. On the tv and in the papers.

Wyllow3

FriedGreenTomatoes2

You didn’t respond to my posts Wyllow.
I hope I’ve explained myself to your satisfaction because you inferred I was keeping something back.
I wasn’t. 😊

Sorry - not been on GN.

What I thought I had made clear I was asking for when I said "the source",

was the source of where Pearson and other journalists got their information from

You mentioned the source was a Thames Water Report so I expected a reference to that report so we could all read for ourselves and make our minds up as to the veracity to the methodology and statistics.

I didnt want a cut and paste Pearson because its an interpretation. (probably out on Yahoo tomorrow)

Do you really want to wade through a full 500 page report by Thames Water? You have more time on your hands than me😁

GrannyGravy13

Luckygirl3

I do not think Bluebelle's post is offensive.

So much of our economy and our health service is built on migrants and we are lucky to have them here.

And if any one of us were to try and enter the US as an immigrant we would have to face the immigration rules of their country - and would be disadvantaged if we were women or gay.

I think alluding to GN members being migrant haters is offensive.

We all know legal migrants are here and working in all of our services.

The article refers to migrants who have outstayed their visas and working illegally or those that have been trafficked and working under the radar.

What GrannyGravy13 says

LizzieDrip

^Free speech? I’m all for it. But not everyone on here IS. Who reports anonymously? Such a shame to do this. It stymies healthy discussion^

Well FGT someone saw fit to report two of my posts on this thread - anonymously. Yes, such a shame.

Obviously not a believer in ‘free speech’!

FGS that’s three times you’re complaining about a deleted post or two when you know full well that for that to happen it must be against forum rules to have written whatever you did.It has zero to do with anyone reporting cos they don’t like free speech.And free speech is only free up to a point.

Luckygirl3

I do not think Bluebelle's post is offensive.

So much of our economy and our health service is built on migrants and we are lucky to have them here.

And if any one of us were to try and enter the US as an immigrant we would have to face the immigration rules of their country - and would be disadvantaged if we were women or gay.

I think alluding to GN members being migrant haters is offensive.

We all know legal migrants are here and working in all of our services.

The article refers to migrants who have outstayed their visas and working illegally or those that have been trafficked and working under the radar.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

You didn’t respond to my posts Wyllow.
I hope I’ve explained myself to your satisfaction because you inferred I was keeping something back.
I wasn’t. 😊

Sorry - not been on GN.

What I thought I had made clear I was asking for when I said "the source",

was the source of where Pearson and other journalists got their information from

You mentioned the source was a Thames Water Report so I expected a reference to that report so we could all read for ourselves and make our minds up as to the veracity to the methodology and statistics.

I didnt want a cut and paste Pearson because its an interpretation. (probably out on Yahoo tomorrow)

And the problem was???????

Must go back now and find Bluebelle's post.

Would be interesting to see how long your own ancestors have been here GNs. We are all immigrants. It just depends on which era you count from from. Are there any historians on here today, who can help describe the ancestral migration patterns to this once empty of humans, icebound domain?

Luckygirl3

I do not think Bluebelle's post is offensive.

So much of our economy and our health service is built on migrants and we are lucky to have them here.

And if any one of us were to try and enter the US as an immigrant we would have to face the immigration rules of their country - and would be disadvantaged if we were women or gay.

This ^

I do not think Bluebelle's post is offensive.

So much of our economy and our health service is built on migrants and we are lucky to have them here.

And if any one of us were to try and enter the US as an immigrant we would have to face the immigration rules of their country - and would be disadvantaged if we were women or gay.

Most of them are working in classic money laundering businesses.
This is not money that goes into the local economy.
Most of whom? Can someone please tell me how the author of the article knows how many people are here illegally when, by definition, they are not on anyone's books, not claiming anything and not using services? Then can they explain how they know where any money these people make goes?

Barleyfields

I agree Casdon. I thoroughly dislike this sort of thread, started in ‘shock, horror, breaking news’ style intended to inflame, but with zero evidence to back up what is stated as ‘fact’. I do like to see and consider the evidence .

These inflammatory and inaccurate posts are getting irritating. Same people getting riled, making outrageous suggestions......blaming Starmer. I am out.

Spot on bee16B.

I wonder how long your post, and probably this one, will last when faced with the ‘believers in free speech’?

No doubt we’ll be deemed ‘offensive’!

bee16B

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I find your postvery offensive too BlueBelle but I’m not reporting it. You are obviously het up and venting.

Oh come off it. With your courteous debate.

You like to fire something off and sit and watch.

You are consistently banging on about migrants, then go all weepy or nasty when some poor soul has the guts to fight back.

I agree.. Bluebelle is consistently compassionate

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I find your postvery offensive too BlueBelle but I’m not reporting it. You are obviously het up and venting.

Oh come off it. With your courteous debate.

You like to fire something off and sit and watch.

You are consistently banging on about migrants, then go all weepy or nasty when some poor soul has the guts to fight back.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I find your postvery offensive too BlueBelle but I’m not reporting it. You are obviously het up and venting.

I find nothing offensive about Bluebelles post. As for het up and venting. Pots calling kettles. At least she isn’t full of the hatred that some people on this forum are.

Free speech? I’m all for it. But not everyone on here IS. Who reports anonymously? Such a shame to do this. It stymies healthy discussion

Well FGT someone saw fit to report two of my posts on this thread - anonymously. Yes, such a shame.

Obviously not a believer in ‘free speech’!

I cannot understand why ‘the boats’ were not arriving until 2018. If you look at statistics there were few people arriving in boats before that.

Here is a screenshot of part of the article.

Kandinsky

This country needs Donald Trump.
God I wish he was our PM.

It most certainly does not.

I find your postvery offensive too BlueBelle but I’m not reporting it. You are obviously het up and venting.

but I do feel acutely sorry for them.

Yes and we should feel ashamed that people are living like this in this country.

GrannyGravy13

BlueBelle wanting to know who is entering the UK and have them go through the proper channels does not equate to being a migrant hater

Putting one’s head in the sand and ignoring the fact that we have people working in what are basically modern day slavery conditions, sex workers, servants, car washes, nail bars will not help anyone.

I find your post offensive.

wanting to know who is entering the UK and have them go through the proper channels does not equate to being a migrant hater

Putting one’s head in the sand and ignoring the fact that we have people working in what are basically modern day slavery conditions, sex workers, servants, car washes, nail bars will not help anyone.

Sensible post GrannyGravy.

We need calm, sensible discussion, decisions and actions by governments to tackle this enormous problem.

If you've lived in Third World countries and witnessed the appalling, gruelling poverty you could understand why they want to be here .
There are a few around here doing badly paid illegal work ( labouring and car washing ) and living in poor conditions -mattresses on garage floors .
I'm not saying that these migrants aren't a burden on our economy , but I do feel acutely sorry for them .
If you explored your DNA you'd probably be in for a shock .
I was talking to a lady today and she like Shirley Ballas has discovered that she's descended from an African slave .

DS works on maintaining the electrical supply in the south west. The company now recruits in the Philippines because they get no interest from the UK.