Shocking news this morning. On the tv and in the papers.

Allira

Mamie

Could the people who are so concerned about immigration explain why they don't appear to be enthusiastic about identity cards?
It is such an obvious starting point.

Are they the same people?

It was Tory opposition that prevented the scheme devised under Tony Blair going ahead.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_on_the_British_national_identity_card#:~:text=The%202006%20Act%20was%20repealed,and%20Prime%20Minister%20David%20Cameron.

Nigel Farage was also against them, this is him.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxSEGByo0Zg

LizzieDrip I agree in that I hate the phrases "alternative facts" and "alternative truths".
They are ALL untruths.

I am aware that science/medicine (for example) learn new things over time. But, (for example), we know now that the earth is round so those who say it's flat are just wrong. It's not an "alternative fact".

We need better legal channels - efficient ones.

Maybe at UK embassy?

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pascal30

Thank goodness most of the people on this thread show a voice of reason.. I prefer Starmer's approach to that of Trump.. and I agree with Mamie re Identity cards,, I suspect that many of the undocumented immigrants are living a life of misery..

It's not what they expected either is it.

Mamie

Could the people who are so concerned about immigration explain why they don't appear to be enthusiastic about identity cards?
It is such an obvious starting point.

Are they the same people?

Thank goodness most of the people on this thread show a voice of reason.. I prefer Starmer's approach to that of Trump.. and I agree with Mamie re Identity cards,, I suspect that many of the undocumented immigrants are living a life of misery..

It's depressing reading, right enough.
The problem we have is that whoever is in charge, nobody has the backbone to do anything. They are all experts on waffle but hopeless on action so we are in the state we are in.
These illegal migrants are a drain on our small island. We need to take a look at Australia. Anyone expecting to sneak in there illegally is turned around pretty smartish and sent back to where they came from, often on the next available flight and ignore the calls of Racist!
But here! Ushered into comfy hotels, given phones, food and anything else they need and all with very little prospect of being sent back.
I fear for my grandchildren's lives in the UK. I really do.

Could the people who are so concerned about immigration explain why they don't appear to be enthusiastic about identity cards?
It is such an obvious starting point.

The push factors are very strong, and we have always pulled in immigrants in order to keep our economy healthy.

Yes, we have and that is very true and of many countries too, but the majority of people go through legal channels and aren't working under the radar which opens up illegal immigrants to explotation and misery.

As I said previously, as a society we should be ashamed.

JenniferEccles

Horrifying headlines but not really a surprise, unfortunately.

One way to stop them surely would be to make clear that those who arrive here illegally (the undocumented aliens as Donald Trump calls them ) are automatically barred from seeking asylum here.

The trouble then is what to do with them when so many destroy their paperwork and claim that they are facing persecution in their country.

We need somebody like Trump. He’s only been in office for three days and look what he’s achieved already.

Completely agree. The headlines are horrifying and SHOCKING. Wish we had Trump here.

What has he achieved apart from signing some papers, most of which do not hold any legal force, and succeeded in reinforcing division in American society.

grannygravy13 I accord with your concerns re exploitation of these unfortunate people. This matters to me far more than a set of stark numbers.

Horrifying headlines but not really a surprise, unfortunately.

One way to stop them surely would be to make clear that those who arrive here illegally (the undocumented aliens as Donald Trump calls them ) are automatically barred from seeking asylum here.

The trouble then is what to do with them when so many destroy their paperwork and claim that they are facing persecution in their country.

We need somebody like Trump. He’s only been in office for three days and look what he’s achieved already.

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Ziplok

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Apparently there are over one million migrants living here in the UK who have no right to be here.

600,000 of them are living in London. Just think about that huge number for a moment.

It equates to TEN football stadiums full to capacity in our capital city.

No wonder we’re broke. It’s dispiriting. Our borders are so leaky it’s not worth pretending any more that we have them.

What do you think about this newly released information?

There’s no doubt at all that we have serious issues around illegal immigration, particularly as it is a big, powerful business with these gangs that bring people in illegally - they make a tremendous amount of money, that’s why they do it. However, I do think it’s very important to unpick carefully these ‘‘grab your attention” headlines and seek out the true facts rather take as given what these newspapers tell us with their sensationalist comments. Never take things at face value - research, research, research.

Yes and add the fact that every developed country in the world has the same problem and we begin to understand that solving this issue is frankly never ever going away.

People have migrated since the beginning of our existence on this earth.

The push factors are very strong, and we have always pulled in immigrants in order to keep our economy healthy.

Is there an underlying agenda to this OP?

Yes, as in my post above, I would suggest.
"Let's face it, illegal immigration has been the thorn in the side of governments, not just in the UK, for years and no-one has got a clue how to start dealing with it."

Sending people to Mars? Let's sort out this planet first. We have the technology and the means but not the will to all work together internationally to solve the problems.

As I said above, no reports yet have actually given the source of this information for us to check. All allegations based on allusions to Thames Water, but not the source report and its dates.

Let's face it, illegal immigration has been the thorn in the side of governments, not just in the UK, for years and no-one has got a clue how to start dealing with it.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Apparently there are over one million migrants living here in the UK who have no right to be here.

600,000 of them are living in London. Just think about that huge number for a moment.

It equates to TEN football stadiums full to capacity in our capital city.

No wonder we’re broke. It’s dispiriting. Our borders are so leaky it’s not worth pretending any more that we have them.

What do you think about this newly released information?

There’s no doubt at all that we have serious issues around illegal immigration, particularly as it is a big, powerful business with these gangs that bring people in illegally - they make a tremendous amount of money, that’s why they do it. However, I do think it’s very important to unpick carefully these ‘‘grab your attention” headlines and seek out the true facts rather take as given what these newspapers tell us with their sensationalist comments. Never take things at face value - research, research, research.

Casdon

I just wish that people wouldn’t jump to the headlines in one faction of the media and post something as though it is the full facts. There is no point having any form of discussion until we know whether it is true, ie widely reported, or a distortion of the facts. Surely that isn’t too much to ask?

Thanks Casdon

I notice this was headline news in the mail on line. Then lots of ‘positive’ comments about Trump and hostility to the bishop of Washington.
The outcome of the legal battle between Harry, Tom Watson and the Murdoch press? A small footnote.

Every country in Europe is struggling with the influx of asylum seekers. I’m so relieved we have calmer politicians trying to do their best with this. The Trump approach disgusts me. Inflaming tensions between groups is not the way to safe, stable societies

GrannyGravy13
put your hand up if you are here illegally and not applied for the appropriate visa

Now, please "put your hand up if you have applied for asylum or the appropriate visa and are still waiting for it to be processed"

I agree Casdon. I thoroughly dislike this sort of thread, started in ‘shock, horror, breaking news’ style intended to inflame, but with zero evidence to back up what is stated as ‘fact’. I do like to see and consider the evidence .

I just wish that people wouldn’t jump to the headlines in one faction of the media and post something as though it is the full facts. There is no point having any form of discussion until we know whether it is true, ie widely reported, or a distortion of the facts. Surely that isn’t too much to ask?