Shocking news this morning. On the tv and in the papers.

Wyllow3

But Skydancer we rely on legal immigrants for our overstretched services to actually keep going. (like it or not!)

As our population ages does that mean we need more and more immigrants? If so, this country will be totally unrecognisable in, say, 100 years from now. It is not changing gradually but is changing rapidly already. Are you okay with that?

Elegran

Perhaps they too were holding a peaceful demonstration which did not contravene any regulations?

Weren’t there 70 arrests at a march held recently?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Hence the Christian evangelist in London 2 days ago, peacefully holding up a sign which said “Yes to Muslims. No to Islam”.

Actually he was arrested.
“Causing a disturbance under Section 5 rules (which no longer apply but the Police either don’t know or disregard.

He was kept under caution at the Police Station waiting 13 hours in total as a duty solicitor was hard tracking down for him.

The CPS were contacted and the Police told to release him.

We have to be very careful Free Speech (peaceful, quiet) is not eroded in this country. I think it’s quite scary for some.

And yet the demonstrators in London every weekend in support of Gaza go unchecked? Very strange.

Information: there are not demonstrations/Gaza every weekend. The last one was a few weeks ago, and the next one is due in April. They are policed and public order arrests were made as needed.

MayBee70

Doesn’t matter if she does. The seed has been sewn into people’s minds. Job done.

I think the seed was there and the post just added some fertilizer ( muck)

But Skydancer we rely on legal immigrants for our overstretched services to actually keep going. (like it or not!)

Personally I don’t like the way this country is going and the pressures on our already overstretched services. I am fed up with hearing how this country has always welcomed people who want to come here for various reasons. We can’t keep doing it. We are too small.

If those immigrants who are here legally working all suddenly left, our overstretched services would become more overstretched than ever.

We all know that the country that most of us grew up in has changed and is changing due to large numbers of immigrants arriving by legal or illegal means. We are becoming accepting of other cultures and faiths. Some people are happy about it. Others deny it is happening. Many people don’t like it. Personally I don’t like the way this country is going and the pressures on our already overstretched services. I am fed up with hearing how this country has always welcomed people who want to come here for various reasons. We can’t keep doing it. We are too small.

Doesn’t matter if she does. The seed has been sewn into people’s minds. Job done.

All the newspapers have apologised and withdrawn the article.

Perhaps the OP would like to give it the same consideration?

Perhaps they too were holding a peaceful demonstration which did not contravene any regulations?

Hence the Christian evangelist in London 2 days ago, peacefully holding up a sign which said “Yes to Muslims. No to Islam”.

Actually he was arrested.
“Causing a disturbance under Section 5 rules (which no longer apply but the Police either don’t know or disregard.

He was kept under caution at the Police Station waiting 13 hours in total as a duty solicitor was hard tracking down for him.

The CPS were contacted and the Police told to release him.

We have to be very careful Free Speech (peaceful, quiet) is not eroded in this country. I think it’s quite scary for some.

And yet the demonstrators in London every weekend in support of Gaza go unchecked? Very strange.

Cossy

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again.

I’m not aware of ANYONE not wanting a fair and controlled immigration and asylum policy and a quick deportation for those not meeting the criteria.

I worked with many Muslims, both as colleagues and clients. My last Leto line managers were Muslim one male and the other female.

In my experience Muslims are generally peaceful, hard working, family loving, genuine and generous people.

Please don’t tar everyone with the same brush.

There are good and bad people in all societies, faiths, nationalities and colour.

I dont doubt what you are saying, and I fully agree with you. This is different from the small boats invasion.

Ooops “my last two line managers”

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again.

I’m not aware of ANYONE not wanting a fair and controlled immigration and asylum policy and a quick deportation for those not meeting the criteria.

I worked with many Muslims, both as colleagues and clients. My last Leto line managers were Muslim one male and the other female.

In my experience Muslims are generally peaceful, hard working, family loving, genuine and generous people.

Please don’t tar everyone with the same brush.

There are good and bad people in all societies, faiths, nationalities and colour.

Football, probably.

Thanks, SilverBrook

Duh, I should have thought of that!
It's not as if we live in a very cosmopolitan area.

Doodledog

Allira

I wonder why Italian or Spanish boys'names such as Luca, Rio, Rocco, Leo, Nico became popular a few years ago? Many of the boys in DGD' school seem to have these names.

Does it mean that we should be genuinely dismayed at being ‘flooded’ by Spaniards who are using our over-stretched services?

Probably not, but maybe the ‘facts’ speak for themselves?

Italians! I was just pondering on the fact when the list of names came up.

Football, probably.

Of 2023, ONS says:

New entries to the top 100 baby names include Hazel, Lilah, Autumn, Nevaeh and Raya for girls, as well as Jax, Enzo and Bodhi for boys.

Pop culture continues to influence the popularity of baby names including music artists such as Billie Eilish and Lana Del Rey, celebrity baby names from the Kardashian-Jenner family such as Reign and Saint, and film stars such as Margot Robbie and Cillian Murphy.

Twas ever such. Look at FreeBMD and type in the first name Baden. See how many boys were named for him after the Siege of Mafeking.

BevSec

bathsalts

The kicking is a more or less constant attack from the same old same old on displaced people.

It must provide some sort of entertainment or feeling of belonging to the herd I suppose.

No one wants to attack displaced people, but I would be genuinely interested to know how you feel about thousands of irregular migrants flooding into the country, in your opinion should the UK just keep on accepting unlimited numbers, what haplens to already stretched services, schools, etc.I read that the most popular boys name in this country is now Mohammed. Are you genuinely unconcerned about how Muslim countries treat women and how easily it could happen here? I am not being at all confrontational, just really interested in your thoughts about the future of the UK if the irregular migrants keep on coming.

Bev.Sec, you may not have intended to be confrontational but I found the suggestion that white British people are somehow being disenfranchised by Muslim people with little right to settle here to be a distortion of what I see around me.

My town has a large community of people from largely Pakistani Muslim heritage. The issue of the name Mohamed has been addressed already. On The issue of the treatment of Muslim women, what I see in supermarkets, the town centre etc and increasingly on country walks, is people whose dress may indicate their faith but their interactions are like all the other mixed groups walking.

Allira

I wonder why Italian or Spanish boys'names such as Luca, Rio, Rocco, Leo, Nico became popular a few years ago? Many of the boys in DGD' school seem to have these names.

Does it mean that we should be genuinely dismayed at being ‘flooded’ by Spaniards who are using our over-stretched services?

Probably not, but maybe the ‘facts’ speak for themselves?

I wonder why Italian or Spanish boys'names such as Luca, Rio, Rocco, Leo, Nico became popular a few years ago? Many of the boys in DGD' school seem to have these names.

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Exactly, as the graphics taken from the ONS show. Muhammad is far outnumbered by combined Noah, Oliver, George, Leo etc. There is no other Arabic boy's name in the top 13, no Ali, Amir, Hamza etc. There isn't one Arabic name among the top 16 girls' names

GrannyGravy13

I really do not care what people call their offspring.

Posters are quick to ask for evidence and facts.

I assume the BBC is the an ok source?

There are facts and there are different ways of interpreting them, to 'prove' different political points. I never trust anyone claiming to 'have the facts', but prefer to look at how those 'facts' are being interpreted.

In the days when boys were mostly called John, George, Paul and William, statistical 'charts' would have shown a blip if large numbers were suddenly called Ringo. Now that people call their children Tyrian, Kayden and goodness knows what else as well as the more conventional names, the numbers called any particular name are smaller, so it's easier to get into the top 10. Plus, lots of Muslims use Mohammed as a first name, but call their sons something else, so several in one family can have the name, but are differentiated by second names. It doesn't mean that the name itself (as in something people are called) is the most popular in the UK.

Links to pages with interesting articles as well as statistical data -

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/babynamesenglandandwales/2023

www.nrscotland.gov.uk/publications/babies-first-names-2023/
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/28/scottish-baby-names-list-luca-isla-banksy

This is why I always go to the source. It is usually more interesting and informative than the semi-digested summary in a popular newspaper.

GrannyGravy13 Posters are quick to ask for evidence and facts.
That is because people have had enough of non-facts and lack of evidence for confidently proclaimed fake news.

I think I'm a bit past providing the world with a non-Muhammed (not that it bothers me anyway ). I do have a son-in-law with Muhammed amongst his many birthnames.