Trump and Vance attack womens health rights

That is exactly what they are doing.

Florida stopped teaching consent to school children with the latest curriculum update.

Actually it ties up with the report on women at college as in what I quoted
"It reads as if the are making it harder to come forward with allegations of sexual misconduct in one part of the ruling."

This is serious. Worse and worse. Nothing to do with the DEI initiative - its to do with protecting women and educating men. Really bad.

The Military is spending its sexual assault prevention training for an unspecified amount of time.

They consider this DEI

www.aol.com/news/military-freezes-sexual-assault-prevention-171808458.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawITMkVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHcsyjYxKPtt_LR4uQjkyD5iSSMxtwDR9b2TUxNWHDkzEstQO3U5JKArJSQ_aem_gCzRFTmDpRsqXXNBMfooSQ

Wyllow3

It reads as if the are making it harder to come forward with allegations of sexual misconduct in one part of the ruling.

In a separate part, lessens the rights students have for time out and facilities for pregnancy and women with young babies.

It points out this is ironical when they want to encourage women to have babies not abortions.

It points out this is ironical when they want to encourage women to have babies not abortions.

Not really - I think the move is to get women out of higher education, the boardroom and other areas of commerce and trade, and back in the home and kitchen.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has appointed to the board of the University of West Florida a political scientist who argues that American colleges and universities undermine traditional families by encouraging women to pursue careers and put off childbirth.

Speaking at the National Conservatism Conference in 2021, Yenor detailed what he sees as the “evils” of feminism, labeled “independent women” as “medicated, meddlesome and quarrelsome” and decried colleges and universities as “the citadels of our gynecocracy” — a form of government run by women.

Every effort must be made not to recruit women into engineering, but rather to recruit and demand more of men who become engineers. Ditto for med school and the law and every trade,” Yenor said.

It's not exactly Gilead, but for any woman who doesn't want to sacrifice her whole life, give up her independence or dreams in order to be a mother - it's a pretty dystopian outlook.

www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-01-09/desantis-appointee-to-university-board-says-women-should-become-mothers-not-pursue-higher-ed

... and now Trump is urging Americans to "bring God back into their lives" because he doesn't think you can be happy without religion.

God, guns and motherhood - that's how he's going to MAGA.

It reads as if the are making it harder to come forward with allegations of sexual misconduct in one part of the ruling.

In a separate part, lessens the rights students have for time out and facilities for pregnancy and women with young babies.

It points out this is ironical when they want to encourage women to have babies not abortions.

Want to bump this thread to report thay a college system in New York has removed protections for pregnant women. I am not 100% on the why of it, something Trump did.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/05/cuny-pregnant-student-protections

Every life is a precious gift so I'm not pro - abortion unless it's for medical reasons -I used know an Italuan lady ,who had terminations as her kidney function was too weak to support a pregnancy .
It was distressing for her and her husband as they longed for a child .

My son got his long term girlfriend pregnant and I begged them not to have a termination .
At the time , I had enough free time to help with the baby .
That child would now be an adult .
But -
despite my views -I believe that it's a woman's individual right to choose for herself .
It's terrible to witness the effects of a back street abortion .
Every women needs the option of a safe termination .

The doctor in New York, the patient in Louisiana.

This has never been tried before, so we have no idea how it is going to work.

The hatred of these people passing these new laws to women is beyond my understanding.

Was the doctor in Louisana or New York? (sent the tablets). How can he be prosecuted if he was in NY?

I realise that some women don't accept abortion and would never agree to an abortion themselves. That's fine, that's their right.

However, I don't think anybody has the right to deny a woman an abortion if she feels unable, for whatever reason, to continue a pregnancy. And especially not men - who seem to have a very loud voice on this issue, despite their very limited contribution to pregnancy, labour and, quite often, to parenthood. There are many women trying to bring up their children alone, while their partner/husband is reluctant to make a proper financial contribution to the maintenance or offer practical assistance to the rearing of their own children. Ditto all these people who are anti-abortion. Where are they when women are left holding the baby? Quite often they are the ones that describe women as "irresponsible" for becoming pregnant and who disagree with benefits being paid to assist them.

A New York doctor has been indicted in Louisana for prescribing abortion pills to a woman in Louisana.

If convicted it will be a felony with fines up to $5,000 and up to 5 years in jail.

The state of Texas sued the same doctor previously.

New York has shield laws to protect their medical staff in cases like this, but I don't know how it will all work out. This is rather unprecedented.

In Texas, a bill has been filed to make certain birth control illegal.

www.lonestarleft.com/p/breaking-brent-money-bill-to-criminalize?r=g2k1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

Cossy

Chocolatelovinggran

nanna8, that was my father's view on the settlers who arrived first in the new Americas. Religious zealots ( bigots?) with a very narrow world view, and limited tolerance for alternative thoughts.
He felt that this mindset was perpetuated over generations, in certain sections of society.
He spoke as a somewhat lapsed Roman Catholic!

I agree wholeheartedly.

It’s so sad, theses groups are perfectly entitled to live their lives their way, but that’s where it ends, they have no right whatsoever to impose their religious and moral beliefs on anyone else.

Absolutely! No your body, not your business. Simple.

@*undines*. I’m glad you have not met a woman who regrets and suffers from bringing a child into the world against their will. Unfortunately, I have met far too many women who do. Women in extreme poverty unable to support themselves and care for their children, women exhausted from working full time and looking after their very large families and partners who do very little for whom one more child tips the balance into desperation, women in abusive relationships who would have left if it wasn’t for the child, women who have left but who continue to be abused because of the rights of their former partners over the child, teens who have been thrown out of their home and expelled from their families and support networks. The baby is resented and blamed for the situation, maybe subconsciously, often overly. Many of these children suffer terribly too. Many, both women and children, kill themselves because they can’t cope with these circumstances many more live with depression and worse. Women who hate, yes a strong word, but accurate, hate their child because they are a constant reminder of the rape and abuse during which the child was conceived…. women whose partners leave them to struggle because they can’t cope with the stress of what they see as an imperfect child. The years of sleepless nights, lack of support and intensity of the care needed can lead to resentment and rejection of the child .

Chocolatelovinggran

nanna8, that was my father's view on the settlers who arrived first in the new Americas. Religious zealots ( bigots?) with a very narrow world view, and limited tolerance for alternative thoughts.
He felt that this mindset was perpetuated over generations, in certain sections of society.
He spoke as a somewhat lapsed Roman Catholic!

I agree wholeheartedly.

It’s so sad, theses groups are perfectly entitled to live their lives their way, but that’s where it ends, they have no right whatsoever to impose their religious and moral beliefs on anyone else.

nanna8, that was my father's view on the settlers who arrived first in the new Americas. Religious zealots ( bigots?) with a very narrow world view, and limited tolerance for alternative thoughts.
He felt that this mindset was perpetuated over generations, in certain sections of society.
He spoke as a somewhat lapsed Roman Catholic!

Trump depended a lot on the Southern Baptist vote and they would take the stance that abortion for any reason is murder. If he went against them he would lose a lot of voters. Plus, of course, God saved him for a purpose (his words). Don’t forget how America took in religious zealots , the Pilgrim Fathers, from the very beginning of Western settlement and their descendants are still there today. Same with the take on guns- historical pioneer attitudes.

imaround

There it is. The fine gentleman from Missouri has introduced a bill that will ban abortion nationwide.

I guess it isn't about states rights or the will of the people is it.

www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/722?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3YX70f0ORsjIPdkcMLbqRv9dlW0pa5CI1TNzrDULEbxi2hMnQ-gdlExss_aem_Z0Uab-ci1-E0yEo2nHSF6w

That is a very bad development if it gains real traction. I suppose it was inevitable that someone would try it on in the current climate. I don't know how it fits with the current situation of states deciding.

nanna8 I agree with you, especially about very late abortions. My son was born before the official gestation date when abortion was legal and it really upset me to think the nurses and doctors were doing everything they could to save him in SCBU whereas other babies of the same gestation were being killed legally in another part of the hospital. Like your granddaughter he also went to university and has had a full and happy life.

There it is. The fine gentleman from Missouri has introduced a bill that will ban abortion nationwide.

I guess it isn't about states rights or the will of the people is it.

www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/722?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3YX70f0ORsjIPdkcMLbqRv9dlW0pa5CI1TNzrDULEbxi2hMnQ-gdlExss_aem_Z0Uab-ci1-E0yEo2nHSF6w

3 states have sued the federal government to stop abortion medication from being mailed nationwide because not having pregnant teenagers is hurting the states economy. This will end abortions in states where it is legal as well.

Multiple states put abortion rights on the ballot, and it passed. Now those states legislators are creating ridiculous restrictions and rules that keeps women away from abortion despite it being legal.

This is not about choice. This is about controlling women.

As for transgender people, I haven't even brought this up really, but prisoners in Florida are being forced to de-transition and into conversion therapy.

2 states are trying to pass laws that charge parents of transgender minors with child abuse, take thier kids into foster care and force them into conversion therapy.

One state is trying to remove transgender people from anti-discrimination laws, which will make it legal to discriminate against them.

We are at the start of multiple human rights violations in the US against women, transgender individuals and immigrants. If you aren't white and male, you are in for a rough ride.

25Avalon

On the other hand Trump has stopped men from invading womens’s spaces and taking part in their sports so what are we saying? But regarding abortion there seems to be a different stance although it is down to state not federal legislature so Trump cannot impose this unilaterally. Should individual states have the right to decide for themselves? That’s how the Civil War started. The constitution in the Syates is very different from ours although we might think it’s similar and we need to remember that.

But he hasn’t done this because he wants to protect women, he’s done it as he doesn’t believe in gender transition.

As for federal v local, Trump will no doubt serve an order or whatever he needs to, if he feels so inclined.

Watch The Handmaids Tale and Years and Years- they are both a glimpse of the future

On the other hand Trump has stopped men from invading womens’s spaces and taking part in their sports so what are we saying? But regarding abortion there seems to be a different stance although it is down to state not federal legislature so Trump cannot impose this unilaterally. Should individual states have the right to decide for themselves? That’s how the Civil War started. The constitution in the Syates is very different from ours although we might think it’s similar and we need to remember that.