The Guardian reports that Trump says all Palestinians should move out of Gaza

(was following on from Claremont's post)

I didn't say that but I do believe state sponsored suppression of free speech (police sent in) a very dangerous path to take - and unnecessary except in the eyes of those (and only those, not all Israelis) who would follow a particular path.

Thanks for the answer GG13.

Claremont

GG13 'My preference (not that I have any influence or say) would have been for a two state solution. Unfortunately I think that is no longer possible.'

so what do you propose? You agree with Trump and Netanyahu then.

And I can assure you, that nothing, but nothing, will make the safety of Jews around the world less safe. If Gaza and the West Bank are taken, the Palestinians excluded with no right of return- this will truly put all Jews are huge risk as they have never been before, even then. And we will all go down with them. THAT is the alternative.

Please, tell me how you think it could work. Because just writing, I no longer think a 2 State solution is possible, is 'easy and beyond simplistic'.

NEVER AGAIN was for all, not just one side.

Claremont please read my post in its entirety, not just the points you disagree with.

No growstuff I do not

Was my answer to Do you think it’s right that Palestinians should be driven off their own land

Wyllow3

This reference in the Jerusalem Post verifies the raiding of bookshops as Claremont describes.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/police-said-to-raid-leading-bookstore-in-east-jerusalem-arrest-owner-seize-books/

Right back to 1930s Germany.

GG13 'My preference (not that I have any influence or say) would have been for a two state solution. Unfortunately I think that is no longer possible.'

so what do you propose? You agree with Trump and Netanyahu then.

And I can assure you, that nothing, but nothing, will make the safety of Jews around the world less safe. If Gaza and the West Bank are taken, the Palestinians excluded with no right of return- this will truly put all Jews are huge risk as they have never been before, even then. And we will all go down with them. THAT is the alternative.

Please, tell me how you think it could work. Because just writing, I no longer think a 2 State solution is possible, is 'easy and beyond simplistic'.

NEVER AGAIN was for all, not just one side.

This reference in the Jerusalem Post verifies the raiding of bookshops as Claremont describes.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/police-said-to-raid-leading-bookstore-in-east-jerusalem-arrest-owner-seize-books/

Being persecuted for centuries, still being persecuted

growstuff

GrannyGravy Do you think it is right that Palestinians should be driven off their own land?

No growstuff I do not.

My preference (not that I have any influence or say) would have been for a two state solution. Unfortunately I think that is no longer possible.

Israel has been under attack for years from Hamas along with Hezbollah, hence the Iron Dome, and its citizens having safe rooms.

Has Netanyahu gone to far? In some instances he has.

Listening to my Jewish friends, they think there has to be a turning point where they and their fellow Jews are not continuously persecuted, butts of religious jokes and attacks.

I cannot put myself in the mindset of a race/religion who have known such horrors and persecution over centuries, I can only assume that 7/10/2-2023 was for them the final straw.

Yes Claremont def best if you don’t ‘share’ these posts and replies, all unverifiable as they are.

They haven’t been driven from Gaza, nor can I see it happening in reality.
Some may choose to leave others will have to live in makeshift accommodation until Gaza is rebuilt.
It’s a long way off just yet as Israel will not allow hamas to be there in any position of authority.
It isn’t over.

We are to forget the persecution of Jews, I fear the time will come when the Holocaust didn’t take place

The massive problem here, is that Israelis, and the West in general, are not told both sides, only the Israeli side. And any information coming from the Palestinian side, even if by some of the most respected International humane Institutions, are just called out as 'lies'. Yes, just like it happened then.

An Israeli friend is most upset and disgusted today, as the bookshop she often visited, with intelligent, open-minded and erudite owners was raided, books confiscated and the owners arrested. For what? For telling the 'other' side, which Netanyahu does not want them to know. And of course, some here will say. Your friend tells lies, she is a traitor that can't be trusted. Of course, this is how it works. This is how it worked then. Only posting part of the post, as I would probably be banned for sharing the rest, and the replies (all from Israeli Jews btw, who are disgusted and ashamed of Netanyahu and the IDF, and what is being done in their name).

'I know that many of my friends, mainly the journalists who covered Palestine, are familiar with the Educational Book Shop on Salah A-din Street in East Jerusalem, and have met the charming, welcoming, bright and urbane owners Ahmad Muna and Mahmoud Muna. On Sunday Nir Hasson (Ha'aretz) reported that Israeli police raided both their shops, arrested them and confiscated books. They are suspected of "endangering public order". According to evidence the policemen scanned books using Google Translate, and took away whatever they did not like. Many books of Israeli scholars, journalists and politicians are on display at the shop. I am beyond shocked by this development. Israel has no more shame.'

as said, best if I don't share rest of her post and replies.

GrannyGravy Do you think it is right that Palestinians should be driven off their own land?

I suspect you mean been persecuted.

Let us hope for the Israelis that there is no such thing as Karma

Whitewavemark2 Jews (Israelis) have persecuted for centuries, how can you post that last sentence.

So Trump is doubling down on Gaza reiterating that the USA will “own” Gaza.

Who will he buy it from because as far as I can see it isn’t for sale.

Perhaps he means that he will invade Gaza, and the inhabitants driven out at the point of a gun?

Not aware that he has any support except from Netanyahu, who will undoubtedly benefit from this invasion, and which I assume will eventually incorporate it into Israel.

The West Bank will be the only fly left in the ointment now. So harassment, violence, arrests without trial, driving people from their land and illegal resettlement hadn’t worked yet.

They will no doubt come up with an imaginative plan before long and the Palestinians will have lost everything.

Let us hope for the Israelis that there is no such thing as Karma.

Has anybody read Claremonts post, including CBS news item and Observer report re testimonies of 350 IDF former soldiers, collectively totalling 10 hours?

These extremely brave people risked their personal relationships and professional futures in order to expose the brutal and illegal acts they had witnessed being carried out by other IDF soldiers and often instigated by their commanders.

As for reporting, Jeremy Bowen, a very experienced and respected BBC journalist, recently commented:

"Israel allowed reporters into their border communities along the border with Gaza in the days after the Hamas attacks last year. I was in Kfar Azza kibbutz when they were still recovering the bodies of dead Israelis, as soldiers checked buildings with bursts of gunfire. They wanted us to see where Hamas had killed around 1,200 Israelis, mostly civilians, and dragged more than 250 into captivity in Gaza.

"The evidence is piling up that Israel has done things in Gaza that it does not want journalists to see, which is why they will not let us cross into the territory, except on rare and highly controlled visits with the army. I have been in only once, in the first month of the war, when Israeli firepower had already turned the areas of northern Gaza that I saw into a wasteland.

"As a result, journalists rely on videos and statements that emerge from Palestinians inside Gaza, including some very brave journalists, and from international diplomats, medics and aid workers who are allowed into Gaza" .....

Oreo

Gazans are suffering for what hamas did.And who are hamas?
They are Gazan men attracted to the hate mentality of terrorists and who join for the love of weapons and violence and a chance to kill Jews.Remember that Claremont.

Drugs are alleged to have played a part too in the October 7th attack. Some of the terrorists were allegedly high on Captagon, (phenethylline), probably produced in Syria. Captagon is addictive.

Oreo

Gazans are suffering for what hamas did.And who are hamas?
They are Gazan men attracted to the hate mentality of terrorists and who join for the love of weapons and violence and a chance to kill Jews.Remember that Claremont.

This is one of the best comments, if not the best that I have seen on these threads about Israel/Gaza.

Thank you Oreo.

True , Hamas hid in hospitals and schools, in their tunnels too

Claremont Hamas chose to provide and protect Hamas operatives, not the civilians who elected them…

Quote Claremont Sun 09-Feb-25 18:21:06
Palestine never had a safe dome, nor safe rooms. They had nothing.

We know what happened on Oct 7th- this was not perpetrated by the Palestinian children, mothers and grand-mothers. The ones who have suffered most.

Why did Netanyahu not listen to intelligence and warnings- why did he not use the highly sophisticated surveillance all along the fence, and highly sophisticated drones and VERY precise military equipement to stop the attack on October 7th. It would have been very possible. Why did he NOT?

I can assure you Netanyahu and the IDF don’t need people on forums in the UK acting as their PR machine! They have most of the Western world to do this- and support them, with massive amounts of bombs of all types to throw on Palestine.

Please explain Which forums?

Gazans are suffering for what hamas did.And who are hamas?
They are Gazan men attracted to the hate mentality of terrorists and who join for the love of weapons and violence and a chance to kill Jews.Remember that Claremont.

Palestine never had a safe dome, nor safe rooms. They had nothing.

We know what happened on Oct 7th- this was not perpetrated by the Palestinian children, mothers and grand-mothers. The ones who have suffered most.

Why did Netanyahu not listen to intelligence and warnings- why did he not use the highly sophisticated surveillance all along the fence, and highly sophisticated drones and VERY precise military equipement to stop the attack on October 7th. It would have been very possible. Why did he NOT?

I can assure you Netanyahu and the IDF don’t need people on forums in the UK acting as their PR machine! They have most of the Western world to do this- and support them, with massive amounts of bombs of all types to throw on Palestine.