The Guardian reports that Trump says all Palestinians should move out of Gaza

Anniebach

What is an Israeli ? What is a Zionist ?

The two are quite distinct.

Israeli is a citizen of any faith or none of Israel. Remember, that Israel was set up as a secular state.

A Zionist is a nationalist who believes in expansion of an Israeli state.

A Zionist may or may not be Jewish and may or may not be a citizen of Israel.

I asked the question of the poster whose post is just before my
question You must have missed it

According to the Absentees’ Property Law (1950), Palestinian refugees expelled after November 29, 1947, are “absentees” and are denied any rights. Their land, houses/apartments, and bank accounts (movable and immovable property) were confiscated by the state. This makes the Israel a Zionist/Nazi state.

Simultaneously, the Law of Return (1950) gave Jews from anywhere in the world the right to automatically become Israeli citizens. The IDF terror in Gaza and the West Bank enforces this law by the most brutal of force not just the alleged perpetrator but the spouse, child (whether unborn or not) parent or grandparent.
www.jerusalemstory.com/en/article/how-israel-applies-absentees-property-law-confiscate-palestinian-property-jerusalem

Anniebach

I know most Jews do not live in Israel ,

I was looking at the gently written Ann Frank text Annie because I was interested in the definition of Zionism it offers, which is the belief in the right of Jewish people to have a State which is a haven.

But it doesn't offer a definition of Zionism as being expansionist from the current boundaries.

What with the way its currently used to mean all kinds of things some very pejorative others confusing its become very difficult to use.

Miriam Margoyles is definitely 'Marmite' for many. And I must say I've had mixed feelings about her.

I've just seen a video of her explaining just how ashamed she is of being Jewish, because of what is happening in Gaza, and what is being planned now. I won't post here as it might really upset some, but it is entitled 'Hitler won'.

I wonder if Miriam Margoyles is ashamed of what has happened to the Israeli hostages who were released today, looking as if they have been released from Belson. The before and after photographs show men who have clearly been half starved and goodness knows what other privations they have suffered.
If she’s not ashamed, she jolly well should be.
Those men ate in a disgraceful condition but she’s ashamed of being Jewish!
She should be ashamed of having no sympathy!

Many thousands Palestinians are held hostage, without any trial, in Israel, and in dreadful conditions- torture, humiliation and barely enough food to just survive, many 100s are children. But that does not bother you at all, does it?

Claremont

Many thousands Palestinians are held hostage, without any trial, in Israel, and in dreadful conditions- torture, humiliation and barely enough food to just survive, many 100s are children. But that does not bother you at all, does it?

They don’t count …

Claremont and Maybee
Neither of you have any idea about how I feel or think and your comments are quite offensive. Did you mean them to be?

It is possible to feel compassion for many people at the same time. Are you aware of that? And to see people who have been held hostage for months and released looking as if they’ve been in Belson is very troubling. For me anyway.

Miriam Margoyles is quite happily offensive to many people due to her constant use of bad language. She doesn’t mind offending people.

Anyway I won’t report either of you this time as I feel your comments should be available for others to see.

The difference before capture and on release is staggering…

But hey ho according to posters Israel are the baddies

maddyone

Claremont and Maybee
Neither of you have any idea about how I feel or think and your comments are quite offensive. Did you mean them to be?

It is possible to feel compassion for many people at the same time. Are you aware of that? And to see people who have been held hostage for months and released looking as if they’ve been in Belson is very troubling. For me anyway.

Miriam Margoyles is quite happily offensive to many people due to her constant use of bad language. She doesn’t mind offending people.

Anyway I won’t report either of you this time as I feel your comments should be available for others to see.

Don’t worry. I’ll report myself given that my comment is so offensive to you.

I think that we can condemn Hamas unequivocally as well as the far right Israeli government, it doesn’t have to be ‘either/or’.
Is hardly ever that simple.

That was a reply to GrannyGravy

Someone suggested that all Zionists are Jewish.

Well, I think Trump gives testament that this is patently not true.

There are several on this thread who say Hamas are freedom
fighters

Babs03

I think that we can condemn Hamas unequivocally as well as the far right Israeli government, it doesn’t have to be ‘either/or’.
Is hardly ever that simple.

That was my thought too babs.

Wyllow3

Babs03

I think that we can condemn Hamas unequivocally as well as the far right Israeli government, it doesn’t have to be ‘either/or’.
Is hardly ever that simple.

That was my thought too babs.

Exactly so and both sides are not without the capability of horror.

I post this photo not to say that Israel is worse, but to show that it is so shortsighted to take sides in this.

Eli Sharibi read out a statement given to him by Hamas on the release stage earlier today.

He said he was looking forward to seeing his wife and daughters.

The Hamas terrorist ba***rds knew their comrades had murdered them on 7/10:23

I have no words to express my feelings towards Hamas terrorist killers 🤬🤬🤬

Babs03

I think that we can condemn Hamas unequivocally as well as the far right Israeli government, it doesn’t have to be ‘either/or’.
Is hardly ever that simple.

Exactly. both sides have behaved abominably to hostages. Most Palestinian prisoners in Israel are nothing but hostages, taken from their beds, the streets, abused and starved. It is not at all either or, but the numbers are very different- including many children.

No, my comment about Margoyles was not intended to offend- and I didn't even share the video, for that very reason. She is saying what so many Jews, including in Israel, are saying- she is not alone.

For clarity I have empathy for the innocent people of Gaza.

My feelings towards Hamas are non negotiable 🤬

That goes for most of us- but most of the Palestinian detainees and children are desperate people trying to keep their home, land and families.

Does anyone think about how Kalm feels, or anyone here who is a Muslim or a Palestinian, or who has friends or relatives there.

The Guardian reports that both in the USA right wing evangelical Christians the sentiments of the biblical belief that Israel should own the whole region are very strong. Trumps appointee as ambassador to Israel, is one such, John Hagee another.

"Trump has offered other tokens to pro-settler groups, including the repeal of Biden administration sanctions against individuals and groups accused of expansion and violence against Palestinians in the West Bank.

"Huckabee and Elise Stefanik, the US ambassador-designate to the UN, who during a confirmation hearing said she supported statements by Ben-Gvir and Smotrich that Israel had a “biblical right to the entire West Bank”.

They apparently intend to hand over the whole of Gaza to the US.

However,
"Jeremy Ben-Ami, the head of J Street, a liberal pro-Israel organisation, said before the summit that Trump had two choices: the “dealmaker route” or the “screw-it path”. For Saudi Arabia to establish diplomatic relations with Israel, he said, Trump would have to at least seek to restrain Israel from expanding settlements in the West Bank.

But, Ben-Ami said: “If he’s going down the screw-it path – ‘I don’t really care what anybody thinks, and I want Greenland and Panama and they can have the West Bank’ – then we’re in a different world.”

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/07/trumps-gaza-plan-suggests-his-pro-settler-advisers-are-in-the-ascendant

Claremont

That goes for most of us- but most of the Palestinian detainees and children are desperate people trying to keep their home, land and families.

Does anyone think about how Kalm feels, or anyone here who is a Muslim or a Palestinian, or who has friends or relatives there.

My DD’s best friend since childhood is Muslim, my nearest neighbour (we are friends with the entire family) are Muslim.

One of my girlfriends who is part of our going out group is Muslim.

I could continue Claremont but I have no intention of playing top trumps over religion.

Nor me GG.

Whitewave your photograph is also appalling to see. I would be interested to know what offence he committed in order that he was incarcerated. Eighteen serious terrorists (sentenced to life imprisonment) were released today by the Israelis, along with many who took part in the appalling 07/10/23 massacre. I don’t know if the photograph shows one of those released today, or whether it is an old photograph.

We should remember that all 260 hostages who were taken into Gaza had committed no crime at all. We should remember that the youngest hostage was nine months old when taken, and sadly now probably dead. Many other babies have died as a result of the actions of Hamas, many Palestinian babies. Each baby death was a tragedy. Hamas caused the death of each and every child, Israeli or Palestinian, during this war.

Like GrannyGravy I have no words to express my feelings Hamas terrorist killers.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont

That goes for most of us- but most of the Palestinian detainees and children are desperate people trying to keep their home, land and families.

Does anyone think about how Kalm feels, or anyone here who is a Muslim or a Palestinian, or who has friends or relatives there.

My DD’s best friend since childhood is Muslim, my nearest neighbour (we are friends with the entire family) are Muslim.

One of my girlfriends who is part of our going out group is Muslim.

I could continue Claremont but I have no intention of playing top trumps over religion.

Who on earth has any intention of 'playing to trumps' about religion? This is just so wrong.

But it seems on here, only some people, some prisoners or hostages, matter. Some children matter, others are 'adults'.

1000s of Palestinians of all ages, including women and children, have been in jail - hostges- of the Israeli Government- for years. Humiliated, sexually, mentally, physically- tortured too- there are no lists of them- no charges- they just disappear. Often their families don't know for years if they are dead or alive. And you call this 'playing top trump' (I think you forgot the capital T there too.