The Guardian reports that Trump says all Palestinians should move out of Gaza

Well, he should listen to their desire to live in their own land. Ethnic cleansing is a shocking answer.

You see David, I cant see any way of enforcing his grand plan without US boots on the ground but he has said previously that will never happen again.

David49

I think Trump does distinguish Gaza’s civilians from terrorist Hamas, his plan is to stop the civilian deaths, he thinks the whole of Gazas civilians held hostage to by Hamas.

He could always offer the citizens of Gaza a permanent home in the USA if he is proposing redevelopment for altruistic reasons and cares about the people, couldn’t he?

Wyllow3

You see David, I cant see any way of enforcing his grand plan without US boots on the ground but he has said previously that will never happen again.

Is moving better than death because that’s all Hamas will give them.

Israel will do all the military action, with civilians absent it will be a push over

I’m wondering who he makes the cheque payable to when he buysGaza🤔

Well Trump did say what he would do about the threatened non- release of hostages didn’t he?
He said if it was up to him, he would give Hamas until midday on Saturday or then
‘all hell would break loose’

petra

I’m wondering who he makes the cheque payable to when he buysGaza🤔

Whoever gives Gazans a new home

Oh Annie- there are many photos of Palestinian prisoners including children, who have come out of Israeli prisons loooking just like they'd come out of concentration camp- with torture injuries. But you will never see them- Israelis won't show them to you, and neither will the world Press.

So where have you seen these photos, Claremont and who says they are not allowed to be published in the world press?
Israel does not control the world press.

I was just wondering that Allira.
Strange only one Gransnetter has seem them.

I did find a woman , Yvonne Ridley, she is on Wikipedia, she speaks of prisoners and children starving and with torture injuries, she was a politician,Respect Party, quite a story, she was captured by the taliband and later converted to Islam, I had never heard of her

Anniebach

I did find a woman , Yvonne Ridley, she is on Wikipedia, she speaks of prisoners and children starving and with torture injuries, she was a politician,Respect Party, quite a story, she was captured by the taliband and later converted to Islam, I had never heard of her

She is a journalist, captured by the Taliban, in captivity for 11 days, now a supporter of Hamas.
Some critics have suggested she is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome

I spoke of her because she spoke of torture and starvation of prisoners and children, didn’t find photographs

I hate Hamas.
This from an article in the Telegraph today bears reading with regard to their PR propaganda:

“The sight of those gaunt, hollow-eyed men being paraded like animals by cowardly terrorists in hoods undid all that. Then the testimonies came: Ohad Ben-Ami, 56, Eli Sharabi, 52, and 34-year-old Or Levy had been hung upside down, burned, gagged to the point of suffocation and starved, all the while being taunted and mocked. They had to learn to walk again before their release, they said. Suddenly, the veneer had split and the dark face of evil came leering through. On social media, the idiots, or some of them at least, began to finally realise what Israel had been facing all this time. They began to wonder whether perhaps those who expressed sympathy for Hamas might have been getting it wrong. It achieved, to the chagrin of the jihadis, “cut-through”. Hell, even the United Nations called the pictures “deeply distressing”.

You could see the terrorists and their supporters beginning to panic. Right on cue, a video purporting to be a Palestinian man before his imprisonment by Israel and thereafter made their way onto the internet. Before: Plump, smiling. After: horribly thin. See, both sides are as bad as each other! Closer inspection, however, called the clip into serious doubt. Within hours, many had concluded that the man’s name was not found on the list of released prisoners and that he was in fact a frail cancer patient.

Whatever the reality, when it comes to Hamas, truth is used merely as the agent of self-interest. So it was that within a short time, the jihadi group had suspended the release of all hostages until further notice, blaming “the enemy’s violations and failure to abide by the terms of the agreement”. This underlined what we had known all along: the strategy of Hamas is built around propaganda, with the deaths of Israelis, terrorists and masses of their own women and children all eagerly sacrificed for the sake of public opinion. The hostage releases, previously so successful, had become a PR liability. This seems likely the reason they were cancelled.”

** My underlining of text.

Right on cue, a video purporting to be a Palestinian man before his imprisonment by Israel and thereafter made their way onto the internet. Before: Plump, smiling. After: horribly thin. See, both sides are as bad as each other! Closer inspection, however, called the clip into serious doubt. Within hours, many had concluded that the man’s name was not found on the list of released prisoners and that he was in fact a frail cancer patient.

It was claimed the man had been an Israeli prisoner and he may have been but, according to reports he was released after a short time because he was ill. The subsequent pictures were taken when he was very ill and the poor man subsequently died.

I posted about this, it may have been on this thread or another, not sure.

The first paragraph should be italics, as it is a quote from FGT2's post.

This tells us what we already knew about Hamas. Of course they decided to stop the hostage releases, because of the backlash. Of course they blame Israel or Trump or Winnie the Pooh for their decision. The truth is that they have tortured their hostages to within an inch of their lives and released them looking like inmates from a Nazi concentration camp. Hamas are evil terrorists, nothing more and nothing less. They are NOT freedom fighters, they are terrorists who love killing, especially if their victims are Jews.

They want to clear the planet of Jews .

No they do NOT. They want to be allowed to live freely in their onw country, and for it to be reconstructed for them, not for rich peoples homes, and they want they cultures back. Won't be easy as it takes 50+ years for olive groves to produce well. At least this is what they wanted then- but the cruel and ghastly genocide of children, mothers and grand-mothers, has no made this so so much more difficult. BTW there are tons and more tons of unexploded bombs all over the rubble left now.

Netanyahu wants to clear Palestine of Palestinians. The Jews were given a small portion, quite wrongly, by the West- the lnad taken from Paletinians to give to others. That was bad enough- but since then, illegal settlements have gone on and on, more and more, in the most vicious, inhumane and cruel of ways.

And you expect them to just lie back and wait until it is all gone. Would you, really?

They have nothing more to lose, and when people have nothing left to lose, they become VERY VERY dangerous. And you try and get rid of them totally, with no right of return- many will join with them and fight for them.

Eye for an eye, hate for hate, and more hate, with hate on top. And we all become blind.

And perhaps worse. If Palestinians are forced to leave with no right to return, all Hell will let lose (as Trump said for the reverse situation). They want to get rid of all of us, and they will probably succeed. And I am not talking about the Palestinians, who have nothing left to fight with.

How do the Israelis kill only children, mothers and grandmothers, where are the men, so many seen recently, healthy, strong, loud , certainly very active ?

Living in the tunnels ?

They want to be allowed to live freely in their onw country

As Palestinian women have been heard to say on the news "Life was fine before all this"
So why did Hamas do what they did and start all this? 🤔

Claremont

as he agrees to deliver a massive number of bombs for the IDF- so they can clear the country.

Are they planning the Ben Gurrion Canal yet- was it was this is all about, as some suspected a long time ago.

Call me cynical andpessimistic. Where on earth are they supposed to go?

Britain

Allira

^They want to be allowed to live freely in their onw country^

As Palestinian women have been heard to say on the news "Life was fine before all this"
So why did Hamas do what they did and start all this? 🤔

A simple question but am afraid there is not a simple answer and if efforts are made to go into the history of the region I fear I will be accused of being pro Hamas which I certainly am not.
So will have to leave it there.

It’s wrong that Trump wants Gazens to move out- I dont know who’s job it is to rebuild Gaza, but it should be rebuilt & Palestinians allowed to stay where they are.

Mt61

It’s wrong that Trump wants Gazens to move out- I dont know who’s job it is to rebuild Gaza, but it should be rebuilt & Palestinians allowed to stay where they are.

Indeed. And attempts should be made to house those in Gaza in proper temporary accommodation with adequate sanitation, clean water, medical attention, and food.
This should not beyond the realms of possibility.

Of course it shouldn't- But this is not what Trump and Netanyahu want, nor is it what they have planned for, for a very long time, way before October 7th,