What is it with men? Some men, perhaps, but TOO MANY

It worries me that someone connected to the Strictly Tour thought it acceptable to give him a spot after his behaviour on the show. His partner came out and said it was only fun but she looked anything but amused when he was edging his hand further and further around her waist. Did they see him as a bit of a lad who enjoys a bit of banter? If so, it doesn't bode well for showing respect to women.

He is also not on his BBC radio show or any other BBC commitments, and apparently in talks regarding the Go Compare Ads.

What a silly entitled man, he has just lost his career due to his own arrogance and filthy mouth!

He is being given too much attention by the media, in my view. He is full of himself, thinks he's so funny with all his "jokes", and is giving the impression that he was the one who decided to have a break, not the BBC taking him off the Strictly tour.

And Shirley Ballas has come out in his favour! What's going on there? No sisterhood that's for sure.

Now it seems his girlfriend has ended their relationship. A wise move on her part methinks.

Casdon

JamesandJon33

He is made a lot of in Wales. Can’t think why.

Is he? I live in Wales, but I didn’t know who he was other than being the Go Compare man until Strictly was on. I must be losing it.

He was in a concert last year; we were thinking of going but couldn't get tickets as it was sold out.
Then it came out about Strictly although people who went said it was a very entertaining evening.

After this latest revelation, I am so relieved we didn't go.

RosiesMaw2

^What is said in the locker room is not for repeating in mixed company, however in the bar late at night the language can get quite loose, any women there tolerate it or leave^

Why should anybody have to tolerate crude, pornographic, misogynistic language or leave
A bar is a public place and just as racist or anti- religious (eg anti-Semitic) language is unacceptable - so is this.

Agreed!!

mum2three

Is it only men who have a problem attracting women who make this sort of remark?

Well, he was married with children, divorced and has a new partner so probably no.

What a disgusting expression, I've never heard it and wish I hadn't looked if up. Whst is he thinking of? I suppose he'll be claiming it's all due to a breakdown soon.

I was puzzled when watching the ITV News this evening they showed a picture of him with a message from him, but underneath was a caption as if his words were spoken by a London Councillor, a woman who, I presume, has nothing to do with this.

I guess a lot more of us now know what it means

Lathyrus3 I do agree this seems to be the case from what I have observed and experienced.
and these deeply unattractive personalities never seem to learn either do they? I can’t decide if they are just a bit thick or genuinely intend to disgust women. Perhaps a bit of both applies.

Lathyrus3

The men who don’t have a taste for that sort of thing (and porn) are the ones who are having a really good sex life and making their partners happy.

The sleazy banter and suggestive remarks always come from the men who really aren’t very good at it and have to talk themselves up.

Very true.
It is the ‘gentle’ men who walk away from the misogynistic banter who show real strength and courage.

The men who don’t have a taste for that sort of thing (and porn) are the ones who are having a really good sex life and making their partners happy.

The sleazy banter and suggestive remarks always come from the men who really aren’t very good at it and have to talk themselves up.

Iam64

I’m beginning to believe your comments reflect your own behaviour and experience David. Tacky to say the least
I’d bet the farm that my dad, husband ad friends would never sink to behaviour they despised in other men

Quite.

I don't know why it's so difficult to comprehend that there are in fact men who - not simply because they are married - just don't like this kind of crude 'banter', and won't join in with it.

I’m beginning to believe your comments reflect your own behaviour and experience David. Tacky to say the least
I’d bet the farm that my dad, husband ad friends would never sink to behaviour they despised in other men

but this isn't about men socialising separately is it, it's about a man making a very inappropriate comment about a woman during a work related photo shoot where the woman was present.

You missed my comment that when men who are in a relationship socialize separately you never know what happens, the golf club or fishing club are probably innocent enough a night at the pub(s) could be anything.

David49

Lathyrus3

I really don’t follow why a woman having a career and not wanting a serious relationship makes a man behave badly towards her. It’s nothing to do with him hiw she chooses to live her life surely?

I find it a total non sequitur.

It’s not that he behaves badly, but when couples form relationships they socialize together and with other couples, single men gather in groups separately, bad behavior and unpleasant banter is the norm.

Wynne Evans was married for 16 years (and has now "found love" with a new girlfriend).

Perhaps he didn't socialise often enough with his wife and other couples?

Are you really suggesting that it's only single men who indulge in this kind of sleazy 'banter'.

As I mentioned above, my late ex who was a Lighterman in an almost exclusive male environment back in the 60s would confirm that many of the men who bantered about women in this sleazy and vulgar way were married men.

It's ignorance and misogyny and alpha-male-immaturity, and it's not exclusive to single men. As Wynne Evans has highlighted with his stupidity.

I don’t see why women can’t have both a career and a long-term relationship. Many women do, as do many men. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

I doubt if any woman on here is unaware that some men behave differently when they’re in a group of men, but most of them have respect enough for women to behave decently when in mixed company. I really can’t see what women’s career aspirations have to do with it.

GrannyGravy13

David49 I and my friends are married not joined at the hip!

Of course we socialise together, but we also socialise apart with our friends. Including weekends away and holidays.

As most couple do, for although it’s not unusual for married men to have night out with the lads when a lot happens that does not get known. Also girls night out is not always as innocent as it seems.

Getting back to the OP there are consequences for celebrities who cross the line, others get away scot free, there are no sanctions.

I've worked in male dominated places most of my life. I've worked for stockbrokers, architects, in the charity sector and on occasion served behind a bar. So a wide demographic. I can assure you that in my experience more men are capable of groping and/or making suggestive comments than not. The worst are the "happily married" variety. Talking sweetly on the phone one minute to their wives like butter wouldn't melt and the next minute trying in on with the 16 year old office junior, or making crude comments about her body. If only their wives knew but they'd probably laugh in your face if you told them.

David49 I and my friends are married not joined at the hip!

Of course we socialise together, but we also socialise apart with our friends. Including weekends away and holidays.

Lathyrus3

I really don’t follow why a woman having a career and not wanting a serious relationship makes a man behave badly towards her. It’s nothing to do with him hiw she chooses to live her life surely?

I find it a total non sequitur.

It’s not that he behaves badly, but when couples form relationships they socialize together and with other couples, single men gather in groups separately, bad behavior and unpleasant banter is the norm.

I really don’t follow why a woman having a career and not wanting a serious relationship makes a man behave badly towards her. It’s nothing to do with him hiw she chooses to live her life surely?

I find it a total non sequitur.

I don't think you're misogynistic David49, what you wrote was interesting. & just because young men don't follow Andrew Tate, doesn't mean they don't talk with their mates using terms like spit roast when they're in a group of lads.

Andrew Tate is despicable.

You weren't blaming women, we're in a society now where to bring up children you usually need two incomes & of course women want to get their careers established before they have a family. But inevitably that means casual sex & young men socialising together at an age where their grandparents would have been family men.

Andrew Tate is despicable.

It’s not a deflection, just that it is not unusual amongst men the behave in that way, if you don’t realize that I can assure you most young women do.
The 98% of the men you work with I’m sure behave in your company at other times you have no idea what happens.

For the record I'm a broad minded person, and worldly, coming into contact with and talking to different groups of people in different situations. Seen, experienced and heard a lot.

Just saying there is a line. In general the public know when that line has been crossed. There have to be standards in the world and we have to set them or descend to the level of these unattractive, sad men.

@David49
Don't be an apologist for misogynistic attitudes, and certainly don't blame the way women behave. It smacks of the 'she was asking for it' excuse. Women are enjoying the freedom to have careers and not settle down if they don't think it is necessary, they have a lot of catching up to do, for millenia they were not permitted to do this. Men who behave badly are responsible for their own actions and have to bear the consequences because their day of having a 'free pass' are coming to an end.