What is it with men? Some men, perhaps, but TOO MANY

I heard the term sometime ago when a group of footballers were accused of treating women in that way. Appalling, any man who thinks that's some sort of joke clearly has absolutely no respect for their female counterparts

What I don't like about the expression is that, to my mind, it smacks of the murky world of the Manosphere where women are despised, abused and used.

I know women can be foul mouthed as well but I don't know of any high profile women who have been accused of inappropriate language or behaviour (yet).

Babs03

I hadn’t heard of the term used had to google it, now I know I wish I didn’t.

Me too.

I echo Kate's comment re "mental health" yawn! I'd just add another yawn! Isn't it incredible the reach mental health has these days, make an unacceptable sexist remark, drive whilst on a drink drive ban, shop lifting sprees, glassing someone with a bottle. All down to the perpetrators' mh, funny because once such actions used to be called bad/unacceptable behaviour.

I didn't even bother to Google it - I don't need to know. I is enough to be aware that anyone using it without the cooking meaning is not someone whose company I want to continue.

I hadn’t heard of the term used had to google it, now I know I wish I didn’t.

Sparklefizz "I didn't know what his comment meant but Aljaz asked his wife if she was ok after he heard Wynne's remark, so clearly he was annoyed about it (and perhaps aware of Wynne's general behaviour)" In previous centuries the reaction of a husband would have been to step forward, punch him in the jaw and tell him "You don't treat MY wife like that!" or make a date to meet him at dawn next day with pistols at the ready.

The husband would have had the approval of everyone else.

I know of the term, he’s a small man trying to be big and failing.
I think you could honestly have said to your granddaughter you didn’t know Maw if she even noticed.

He has a daughter. Wouldn’t you think that’d give him pause?

Of course women can be particularly crude, I agree [I've known a female who is a great example of that]...I have just commented on the male way of being offensive as re; the title of the thread.

I heard this term in the year 2000. There are many other 'terms' in circulation which many may not have heard of...yet...it all comes from a world most of us would rather not know about.

Unspeakable behaviour [not just words], I'm afraid is common place in the world, just usually underground. Think of the grooming gangs, the Pelicot case, etc. etc.

If you have never been in an all male work environment or a team dressing room you wouldn't know how a lot of men [not all of course] talk about women, even their partners, and many sex acts in a very, derogatory way. You'd be appalled.

Apart from other sources I've heard it all from the horse's mouth so to speak. A male who is nauseated by the things he has heard other men say.

Silly man has just ruined his career and there are other men who have been equally stupid and should be ashamed of setting such a bad example to younger men and girls. My eldest daughter works with teenagers and young adults with all sorts of problem's and she said the language that comes out of the mouths of the girls is beyond disgusting , she heard one of the girls she had been working with tell a policeman to do something so revolting I won't put it on here, so it is not just some of the male population using inappropriate language but also a lot of females but we never seem to hear about them as much.

ViceVersa

I must be 'worldly' then, because I knew what it meant.

Nothing wrong with being "worldly" VV.

I had never heard of it. I used to like Wynne, but now think he must be an idiot to ruin his career like this. What on earth is he thinking? We will no longer put up with this sort of treatment from men.

I don't know what angers me the most, the arrogance of some men in the public eye who think they are untouchable and can say what they like, or the stupid people defending them with all the "woke nonsense" and "you can't say anything these days". I wonder what his defenders would say if this vulgar and offensive language was aimed at their daughter

Whenever celebrities get themselves into a mess these days, the 'mental health' card is usually played. I'm not saying he hasn't got problems but as someone who has suffered terribly with my mental health, I just hope they are not 'using' it but I fear some are. It's a bandwagon lately.

Women have to speak up and so should men.

This is not acceptable in the workplace or anywhere.

I must be 'worldly' then, because I knew what it meant.

Shelflife

Never heard of that term !

I had to explain the term to DH.

They do say "To the pure all things are pure".

Surely you would have to be quite "worldly" to understand what it means. I only know about it indirectly through the work I used to do with less fortunate members of the public.

OMG! I'd never heard of either of these 2 people so I Googled them.

Janette is a beautiful looking lady!

That Evan's creep is revolting to say such things about ANY woman, no matter what she looks like.

I knew of the term spit roast, as in meat on a spit, but I didn't know it also means .... other things.... disgusting and pornographic stuff.

He should be sacked and apparently he'd also been in trouble beforehand...

Someone else who'd never heard of this and neither had Mr. S.
'Another one bites the dust' and good riddance.

Disgusting. I hope this is the end of his career. Unfortunately I expect many men do think along the same lines, but not many are stupid enough to voice their thoughts like that.

Sarnia

He seemed an unpleasant character on Strictly. His partner didn't seem very comfortable with the way he held on to her and remarks made. Allowing him to be a part of the Strictly tour gives out the wrong message. He can say sorry all he likes but he is one of those men who think it acceptable to demean women.
The thought of being in a spit roast with him!!! I'll leave my breakfast till later. Urgh!

Agree.
Time for him to go compare😖

I didn't know what his comment meant but Aljaz asked his wife if she was ok after he heard Wynne's remark, so clearly he was annoyed about it (and perhaps aware of Wynne's general behaviour)

I checked out the link to find out what the comment meant and it was even more revolting than I'd feared, and disgustingly inappropriate when lining up for a group Strictly photo.

Babs03

I just think some men feel entitled to say what they want, it all comes back to the old freedom of speech argument, or the WOKE accusation, with some men believing they are being penalised for not being able to say or do as they wish, even though they are quite openly being misogynistic.the same goes for those who make racist remarks when discussing immigration. They also tend to take the high ground saying there is no freedom of speech.
I think some just want the freedom to insult, offend, and denigrate others without blame.
And if I am WOKE for saying this, though goodness knows what that actually means, then so be it.

I agree Babs03
I think he's been behaving like this for decades but it's only come to light now that he has a more visible profile. Some men like to take risks and/or see how much they can get away with.

When picked up on it, they say it's "only banter", or accuse the woman of not being able to take a joke, or nowadays claim there's no freedom of speech, as you say Babs03.

My "inner radar" went off when he appeared on Strictly. My daughter and I agree that there was just something slimy about him so we weren't at all surprised by the "incident of the creeping hand on Katya's stomach" on Strictly.

I think he should be taken off the Strictly tour. The producers are trying to make sure the programme is squeaky clean after the Amanda Abbington episode so they must be seen to act.