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Whitewavemark2 Wed 29-Jan-25 11:54:37

I would highly recommend todays “The Rest is Politics” 29/01/25. Podcast

Warning it is grim and chilling

Allira Sat 01-Feb-25 17:28:12

Dickens

Vance learning from the Trump playbook - when you're outwitted or opposed, claim your opponent is "nasty" or has a low IQ.

... instead of engaging in the argument.

Others seem to be using that as an insult, though, even on this forum. Strange that those who claim to despise Trump use rhetoric straight out of the Trump playbook. .

People seem unable to disagree civilly, instead they use such descriptions as uneducated or deranged views when referring to those with a different opinion.

You'd think they'd not fall into that trap if they want to be taken seriously

Allira Sat 01-Feb-25 17:23:51

MayBee70

PoliticsNerd

MayBee70

JD Vance has now said Rory Stewart has a low IQ when it comes to religion. How can anyone think that Rory has a low IQ?

And how can your IQ be specifically related to religion!

He was referring to his understanding of religion. I think. No tarrifs for the UK yet? Then again he will be using the NHS as a bargaining tool with us I assume?

He was referring to his understanding of religion. I think

Yes, I thought that too.

Whether he meant an understanding of comparative religions of the world or that Rory Stewart did not agree with Vance's extremist religious beliefs I don't know but I assume the latter.

Dickens Sat 01-Feb-25 17:19:52

Vance learning from the Trump playbook - when you're outwitted or opposed, claim your opponent is "nasty" or has a low IQ.

... instead of engaging in the argument.

Allira Sat 01-Feb-25 17:19:16

Don't bring Mary Tudor into this!

Intolerance of religions other than Catholicism?
Perhaps not burning at the stake.

MayBee70 Sat 01-Feb-25 15:56:53

PoliticsNerd

MayBee70

JD Vance has now said Rory Stewart has a low IQ when it comes to religion. How can anyone think that Rory has a low IQ?

And how can your IQ be specifically related to religion!

He was referring to his understanding of religion. I think. No tarrifs for the UK yet? Then again he will be using the NHS as a bargaining tool with us I assume?

Wyllow3 Sat 01-Feb-25 15:52:46

imaround

He announced tariffs for the EU yesterday. Tariffs for China, Canada and Mexico are supposed to start today. He may be flinching though as he said something yesterday that was wishy washy about it. I think he is trying to see if Canada will call his bluff.

Waiting to see what happens with Canada as I don't fully get his "beef" with them except the border control and a certain amount of envy.

HousePlantQueen Sat 01-Feb-25 15:40:22

Interesting, informative and terrifying posts from PoliticsNerd, Imaround and others.

It defies belief how anyone cannot be seriously concerned about this madman and his puppet masters.

PoliticsNerd Sat 01-Feb-25 15:29:15

MayBee70

JD Vance has now said Rory Stewart has a low IQ when it comes to religion. How can anyone think that Rory has a low IQ?

And how can your IQ be specifically related to religion!

imaround Sat 01-Feb-25 15:26:41

He announced tariffs for the EU yesterday. Tariffs for China, Canada and Mexico are supposed to start today. He may be flinching though as he said something yesterday that was wishy washy about it. I think he is trying to see if Canada will call his bluff.

MayBee70 Sat 01-Feb-25 15:25:04

imaround

These evangelical Christians are not Catholic. They actually (generally) do not see Catholicism as a valid religion. It is a phenomenon I do not understand because I am neither Catholic nor Evangelical.

Yes we are headed for a civil war. Honestly, I can't see another way out of Trump. The Democrats are useless right now.

There are 2 groups of people waiting in the wings for the destruction of the US. 1) billionaires are waiting for Trump to destroy our economy so they can buy everything up for pennies on the dollar. 2) The Heritage Foundation will use Project 2025 to "rebuild" the country.

There is a theory out there that Trump is trying to stoke civil unrest so he can declare Marshall Law. He has already been moving US troops to the Southern border under the guise of stopping migration. He has spoken about moving military into major cities due to migration. He has put a racist evangelical alcoholic Fox News yes man in charge of the military. It is almostnunpredictable what that guy will do. Almost.

I am not exaggerating when I tell you that my household is preparing for something to come. Everything from food shortages to civil unrest and war, we are preparing as best we can.

No words…sad

imaround Sat 01-Feb-25 15:20:57

These evangelical Christians are not Catholic. They actually (generally) do not see Catholicism as a valid religion. It is a phenomenon I do not understand because I am neither Catholic nor Evangelical.

Yes we are headed for a civil war. Honestly, I can't see another way out of Trump. The Democrats are useless right now.

There are 2 groups of people waiting in the wings for the destruction of the US. 1) billionaires are waiting for Trump to destroy our economy so they can buy everything up for pennies on the dollar. 2) The Heritage Foundation will use Project 2025 to "rebuild" the country.

There is a theory out there that Trump is trying to stoke civil unrest so he can declare Marshall Law. He has already been moving US troops to the Southern border under the guise of stopping migration. He has spoken about moving military into major cities due to migration. He has put a racist evangelical alcoholic Fox News yes man in charge of the military. It is almostnunpredictable what that guy will do. Almost.

I am not exaggerating when I tell you that my household is preparing for something to come. Everything from food shortages to civil unrest and war, we are preparing as best we can.

keepingquiet Sat 01-Feb-25 15:07:44

Allira

Wasn't Vance brought up an Evangelical Christian (same as Bishop Budde)? then an atheist until fairly recently, now a Catholic? His wife is Hindu.
His bpview of Catholicism would seem to be less of the compassionate kind, more that of Mary I.

Don't bring Mary Tudor into this!

Vance is on the make like all the other Trump followers. I knew he was a Caholic convert but didn't know about his wife.

Really a politician's religion should be of little consequence but in the US it isn't.

Let us make a distinction between Roman Catholicism which preaches universal respect and dignity for all human life, and the form of nationalistic Catholicism particular noticeable in the US which preaches yes, the universal church but America First. It is an evil and heretical creed.

Vance, Trump and most of their cohort are nothing but charlatans.

MayBee70 Sat 01-Feb-25 14:34:44

And, unlike Trump, he lives his life in a principled way, too.

Allira Sat 01-Feb-25 14:31:16

Wasn't Vance brought up an Evangelical Christian (same as Bishop Budde)? then an atheist until fairly recently, now a Catholic? His wife is Hindu.
His bpview of Catholicism would seem to be less of the compassionate kind, more that of Mary I.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 01-Feb-25 14:30:29

Stewart attends Anglican Church every Sunday.

MayBee70 Sat 01-Feb-25 14:27:13

Precisely. I wasn’t absolutely sure where Rory stood religion wise but from what I’ve got to know of him over the years I assumed that he was a religious person. And that, along with most things in his life, he wouldn’t follow a faith blindly but think things through thoughtfully.

Allira Sat 01-Feb-25 14:22:20

MayBee70

JD Vance has now said Rory Stewart has a low IQ when it comes to religion. How can anyone think that Rory has a low IQ?

What an odd thing to say.

Or that he knows nothing about religion anyway, as Rory is a Christian (Anglican) but has lived overseas, spent time with people of various faiths and his knowledge of the faiths of the world and of theology in general is extensive.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 01-Feb-25 13:52:04

Yes i wonder how safe Stewart’s post is at Harvard.

MayBee70 Sat 01-Feb-25 13:46:49

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Alastair Campbell defended his co-host
PETER TARRY FOR THE TIMES

sweeping directive on Tuesday suspending up to $3 trillion in funding for government programmes, including foreign aid — a move that was swiftly rescinded after legal challenges and widespread confusion.
The spat has continued as the Trump administration grapples with the fallout from the mid-air collision between a passenger jet and a military helicopter over Washington,
killing 67 people in the worst air crash on US soil for a generation.
Vance joined Trump at a press conference on Thursday to address the air disaster in Washington, where the president blamed diversity, equity and inclusion schemes for undermining safety standards in America's skies.
Thanking Trump for his “leadership”, Vance echoed the president's claim. “When you don't have the
best standards in who you're hiring, it means on the one hand, you're not getting the best people in government,” Vance said. “But on the other hand, it puts stresses on the people who are already there.”

MayBee70 Sat 01-Feb-25 13:46:10

The US vice-president copies Trump's playbook with response to the former minister's claims that his rhetoric was 'false and dangerous'

Hugh Tomlinson, Washington
JD Vance has accused Rory Stewart of having “a low IQ” after the podcaster criticised the US vice-president's interpretation of Christian values.
The dispute arose after the vice-president claimed in his first interview since taking office that there was a religious justification for the America First policies of President Trump's new administration.
He told Fox News on Wednesday: “There's this old school — and I think it's a very Christian concept by the way — that you love your family and then you love your neighbour, and then you love your community, and then you love your fellow citizens in your own country, and then
JD Vance accused Rory Stewart of having a falsely inflated opinion of his intelligence

after that, you can focus and prioritise the rest of the world. A lot of the far left has completely inverted that.”
Stewart, co-host of the popular podcast The Rest Is Politics, called Vance's remarks a “bizarre take on John 15:12-13”, which states: “This is
My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that a person will lay down his life for his friends.”
Stewart dismissed Vance's position as “less Christian and more pagan tribal”, adding: “We should start
worrying when politicians become theologians, assume to speak for Jesus, and tell us in which order to love.”
Vance, 40, who converted to Catholicism in 2019, responded by accusing Stewart of having a falsely inflated opinion of his intelligence. “Does Rory really think his moral duties to his own children are the same as his duties to a stranger who lives thousands of miles away? Does anyone?” Vance wrote. “This false arrogance drives so much elite failure over the last 40 years. Rory Stewart thinks he has an IQ of 130 when it's really 110.”
“An honour to have my IQ questioned by you Mr VP,” Stewart responded. “But your attempts to speak for Christ are false and dangerous. Nowhere does Jesus suggest that love is to be prioritised in concentric circles. His love is universal.”
Alastair Campbell, Stewart's podcast co-host and former communications director for Tony Blair, defended Stewart. “Very odd that the vice-president of the USA has nothing better to do than troll my podcast partner,” Campbell remarked.
The exchange came after the Trump administration issued a

MayBee70 Sat 01-Feb-25 13:43:15

JD Vance has now said Rory Stewart has a low IQ when it comes to religion. How can anyone think that Rory has a low IQ?

PoliticsNerd Sat 01-Feb-25 13:36:20

Biden's key message:

We will protect a woman's right to choose and fight to keep access to abortion legal. We will withdraw Mr Trump's Supreme Court nominee if we win the presidential election.

He may be personally pro-life but showed no signs of inflicting his beliefs on the country.

PoliticsNerd Sat 01-Feb-25 13:30:16

But in the UK in the 1930s:-

Politicians and members of the public supported what Hitler was proposing, believing that by accommodating Hitler's demands, such as the reoccupation of the Rhineland or the annexation of Austria, they would prevent another conflict. Haven't we already seen a playing down of the anti-democratic suggestions Trump has made towards Canada and Greenland with tacit support in the UK for Trump's demands coming from sections of the public?

In the 1930 some right-wing groups were openly sympathetic to fascism and Nazism. They admired Hitler’s nationalist rhetoric and anti-communist stance. A recent Telegraph headline read "Trump’s example will help Britain finally crush the woke brigade" with a sub-head saying "We need to take a lesson from America – otherwise, we will be slaves to Labour’s virtue-signalling lunacy", Showing tacit support for Trump's anti-democracy stance and using similar rhetoric.

A significant portion of the British public favored isolationism in the 1930s, wanting to avoid involvement in European conflicts. This sentiment led to some level of indifference or passive support for Hitler’s policies as long as they did not directly threaten British interests. I think you only need to read GN to see the support, albeit passive, for Donald Trump.

There were also individuals in the arts and intellectual circles who found certain elements of Nazi ideology appealing, particularly regarding the promotion of national identity and strength. However, such support was not universal and often faced significant opposition. Again, certain well known actors an celebrities can be seen support extreme Trumpism.

As the 1930s progressed and reports of Nazi atrocities, including anti-Semitic policies and aggression towards neighboring countries, became more widely known, opposition to Hitler grew stronger within the UK. By the late 1930s, many recognized the dangers posed by the Nazi regime. We are just hearing of people losing their jobs, the possible round-up of some of the migrants. It will be interesting to see reaction to this.

Overall, while there were some pockets of admiration for Hitler and his regime in Britain during the 1930s, it was not a mainstream sentiment and significant opposition existed alongside any support. Ultimately, the events leading up to World War II and the realities of Nazi aggression shifted public opinion decisively against Hitler. So where does the opinion of UK citizens stand on Trump. A new Ipsos Political Pulse survey, taken between 10th and 13th January, 2025 shows

63% of Britons hold an unfavourable opinion of the then president-elect Donald Trump.

Younger Britons are more favourable towards Trump than older Britons. Among those aged 18-34, 31% are favourable and 47% unfavourable. Among those aged 55+, 15% are favourable and 72% unfavourable.

53% of Reform UK voters are favourable towards Trump and 30% unfavourable.

A similar pattern is observed with Elon Musk, with 63% unfavourable, although fewer Britons are favourable (17%).

This does give me some hope.

keepingquiet Sat 01-Feb-25 12:49:49

Well said foxie48! Biden took a lot of stick for being Catholic but now people think it's flavour of the month because of this one issue.

As a lifelong Catholic I cringe at the likes of Trump and especially Vance as well as fellow Catholics who really should know the Gospels better!

foxie48 Sat 01-Feb-25 11:52:46

Nope, Evangelical Christians also support abortion, it is not just a Catholic value. Trump is not strongly pro life. When he realised it was a potential vote loser before the last election, he tried to disassociate himself with it. He also tried to disassociate himself with project 2025 because polling showed it was unpopular, said he'd never read it. He has, however, put Stephen Miller one of the chief architects of P25 in a very senior position in his administration. fwiw Biden is a Catholic and is pro life I'm not aware that Trump is committed to any religion, he can't even hold a bible the right way up!

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