Letby didn't murder babies new experts claim.

Barleyfields

Poor Lucy? I would await the outcome of the application to the CRCC and any retrial before saying that. The current ‘new evidence’ has yet to be tested by cross examination. If she is confirmed to have murdered the babies will you still say that ‘they have ruined her life’ and that she was good at her job?

Yes I will definitely still say that. I have believe in her innocence since the beginning and I will continue to do so.

I think that with all these new expert claims and doubt now being cast upon Letby’s conviction in the media, there needs to be a retrial if only to put these doubts to bed. Certainly the families of the babies that died on her watch are entitled to know the truth and it must only be prolonging their agony seeing reports of new expert claims.
Whether Letby did it or not is for the courts to decide again, hopefully with more firm evidence that isn’t just hearsay.

keepingquiet

I hope for the parent's sake we can close this case eventually.

Having worked in this field I listened intently to the trial podcast and came to the conclusion there was more evidence against her than not.

It seemed little in the way she worked or her attitude to her work was quite normal to me, and can't have been just hearsay.

I hope the truth comes out with time meanwhile the parents have suffered enough...

It was obvious from the off that LL should not have been a nurse. She failed at her first attempt. Was successful on the second but the assessor was concerned about her attitude.
But once again this comes down to the staffing levels. That’s why they hired her.

Would I say there was a coverup by doctors. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility.
How did 4 babies die on that unit in the course of 14 days in 2015. The over the next 12 months 4 more babies died.
The worrying part of that information is that the doctors didn’t inform the authorities that this had accrued. Even though that was against NHS guidelines.
The senior staff were warned that the staffing levels were at a critical level.
So yes, I do think it’s a possibility

I agree with your post keeping quiet

I hope for the parent's sake we can close this case eventually.

Having worked in this field I listened intently to the trial podcast and came to the conclusion there was more evidence against her than not.

It seemed little in the way she worked or her attitude to her work was quite normal to me, and can't have been just hearsay.

I hope the truth comes out with time meanwhile the parents have suffered enough...

Poor Lucy? I would await the outcome of the application to the CRCC and any retrial before saying that. The current ‘new evidence’ has yet to be tested by cross examination. If she is confirmed to have murdered the babies will you still say that ‘they have ruined her life’ and that she was good at her job?

I’m not convinced it will help the parents if the convictions are over turned. They’ve been through lengthy police investigations, trials and attempts to appeal with the conclusion that LL murdered their babies. The parents believe their babies were murdered.
Nightmare for everyone

Poor Lucy. I have thought about ger almost daily. I also feel for the parents ho have tragically lost their babies, but the evidence seems to be racking up that all the babies died of natural causes.
I hope that there is a retrial and that Lucy will be exonerated. Even so, they have already ruined her life. She won't be able to pursue the job she loved, and was good at.

If there's sufficient evidence to cause doubt about the conviction then leave should be requested to take this case to the appeal court.

It's not fair that the parents of these poor babies should have to endure claims of her innocence played out in the media.

I don't know when they were in the ward, petra

Surely the question is why would they come to the conclusion that someone was killing these children?

I have no idea if she is guilty or not. But we're now being told that she's innocent. Thankfully it's not up to me to decide.

Peter Hitchens, a journalist at the Daily Mail has been writing numerous articles about this case since the verdict

Maybe it's my dislike of him that is tainting my opinion. And yes, quite correct, I don't need to read them

But if she's innocent it's quite horrendous.

Ilovedogs22

Babs03

Have changed the title.
And is nothing to do with me.
Take it up with the BBC.
Thank you.

Babs03, please don't take the comments too much to heart.
There are quite a few pedantic, fussy, know-it-all types on Gransnet who can get really ratty & eagerly jump on their grammatical high horse at the merest whiff of an out of place semi -colon ect! 🥴💕

Thanks Ilovedogs, sometimes I do get rubbed up the wrong way, but am soon over it.
xxx

Rula

It hadn't entered my head that she might be innocent. I felt that the 7 consultants who worked with her, and nursing staff would have known best what might have happened.

Horrendous if she is innocent of course, but this must be so painful for, not only the parents of the babies, but also for the staff

I can't see this as an NHS hospital covering its back at all. It took a long time for these consultants to even be listened to and they went through a lot to see this get to court. Even having to apologise to Lucy and her parents for suggesting anything was untoward.

Rula Would that be the 7 consultants who were rarely on the ward. That’s all in evidence.

Mogsmaw
The only reason medical experts are reluctant to testify against other professionals is because they are very likely to come across each other in medical settings.
Fortunately in this case the medical experts are from Canada, Japan, South Africa etc. so there is little chance they will encounter each other ever again after the case.

BlueBelle

I ve always felt very uncomfortable with the guilty verdict
I don’t mean I think she was innocent just simply that i ve never felt we ve known beyond doubt
What a horrible thing and if she didn’t how terrible
she ll always be called a baby killer even if she didn’t and no real closure for the parents

My thoughts exactly. And after listing to all the experts who defended her ( on file on 4 ) in their own words it was jaw dropping how bad the court case was.

This conviction has more holes than a lace tablecloth. Time to have a proper look.

Hats off to David Davis. A principled man.

Babs03

Have changed the title.
And is nothing to do with me.
Take it up with the BBC.
Thank you.

Babs03, please don't take the comments too much to heart.
There are quite a few pedantic, fussy, know-it-all types on Gransnet who can get really ratty & eagerly jump on their grammatical high horse at the merest whiff of an out of place semi -colon ect! 🥴💕

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/04/no-medical-evidence-to-support-lucy-letby-conviction-expert-panel-finds

There is quite an in depth report in the Guardian. I am so glad that such an expert panel has viewed all the babies deaths. It is horrific for all the parents. Everyone was so quick to blame someone, unfortunately defence did not defend thoroughly.
I hope the criminal review will not disregard this report in their deliberations.

There have been some terrible miscarriages of justice - often involving women - convicted of murders for things that later turned out to be medical issues such as the mother who was convicted of feeding the children salt only to later have it realised the children had a metabolic illness that meant their bodies could not deal with normal levels of salt. I can’t remember the exact details.

Barleyfields

It’s very strange that these experts weren’t found by her defence team so that they could give evidence at the trials. She is the common denominator in all these tragic deaths and near-deaths, but I have no medical knowledge and coincidences do happen. We will have to wait and see if her convictions are judged to be unsafe so that a retrial is needed. Whatever the outcome, I feel for the parents who are having to go through this all over again (though of course they live every day, every hour with their loss anyway) and may ultimately be left without answers, as we sometimes are after a death. I sincerely hope that this won’t culminate in the babies’ bodies undergoing further investigation. That would be truly dreadful.

With regards to experts not being found. It’s a long standing directive that medical experts won’t testify in cases against other medical professionals.
This means no one will appear for the defence.

I do think there have been some awful miscarriages of justice over the years, so as much as I think it will put those poor families through the mill I would hope they would want to know the truth and so would support a retrial which will include more experts giving evidence and either find her guilty or innocent for sure.

It hadn't entered my head that she might be innocent. I felt that the 7 consultants who worked with her, and nursing staff would have known best what might have happened.

Horrendous if she is innocent of course, but this must be so painful for, not only the parents of the babies, but also for the staff

I can't see this as an NHS hospital covering its back at all. It took a long time for these consultants to even be listened to and they went through a lot to see this get to court. Even having to apologise to Lucy and her parents for suggesting anything was untoward.

It's an awful situation. My first thought when she was charged was that she didn't do it. She's obviously dreadfully conflicted. If all her colleagues said she did it she must think that she did it or that she got some treatment critically wrong. She must feel very confused.
The poor parents though. As others have stated it would feel better if their babies' deaths were due to natural causes rather than malice.
That's a very serious range of senior doctors now supporting her. He previous medical colleagues must be feeling pretty nervous.

I ve always felt very uncomfortable with the guilty verdict
I don’t mean I think she was innocent just simply that i ve never felt we ve known beyond doubt
What a horrible thing and if she didn’t how terrible
she ll always be called a baby killer even if she didn’t and no real closure for the parents

I am curious as to who is funding this and why.