Farage. Well he’s Top of the Pops right now! 😂

Just because they arrive in boats doesn't mean they are not entitled to being here having fled for their lives.

dragonfly46

Just because they arrive in boats doesn't mean they are not entitled to being here having fled for their lives.

👏👏👏👏

Many if not most of these people who arrive in boats are not fleeing for their lives, they are seeking a better life.

nanna8

Probably do what we do- turn them back. It may or may not breach some sort of international law but too bad. It will save lives for one thing and help the poor people who are genuine and have had to wait in a queue. Don’t you kind of feel sorry for them when they have gone through the ‘right’ channels and waited a long time ? Or do you prefer people to just rock up and queue jump ?

Your ignorance of these matters is breathtaking.

As I have explained and as others have explained numerous times, it would breach international law. It is not a case of may or may not. It would whatever the Reform Party would have you believe.

The reason people have no safe passage is because of Brexit. And who was the driver of that?

Before the UK made the catastrophic decision to leave the EU, it was part of the Dublin III Regulation.

The Dublin III Regulation enabled the UK to return some asylum seekers to EU Member States without considering their asylum claims. It also provided a legal (and therefore safe) route for reuniting separated asylum-seeking family members in the UK. The Regulation no longer applied in UK from the date the UK left the EU.

www. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9031/

In leaving the EU, the UK also lost access to EU funding for asylum and immigration initiatives, for example, to support Home Office activities related to asylum, refugee resettlement, immigration enforcement, and to provide funding for some NGO-led projects focusing on integration.

Farage caused this mess and now people are looking to him as a saviour???

the reason people have no safe passage is because of Brexit

No it’s not!
People were coming on lorries and even underneath trains long before Brexit.
Let’s have truth, not fiction.

The impressive Rupert Lowe!!!

Rupert Lowe donates his entire net MP salary to different charities each month (accompanied by a huge fanfare of virtual signalling) but receives a large tax advantage for doing so. Each £4,187 he gives (the net sum is confirmed on his personal website) earns him personal tax relief of £1,308 on his other substantial income. The charity will also receive £1,047 in Gift Aid so his £4,187 pm will cost the Exchequer £2,355 pm.

He made a big deal out of donating a month’s salary to Great Yarmouth FC but also declares four free seasons tickets from them so the net benefit to the club is less than he claims. Why doesn’t he pay for his season tickets? He’s not the only MP enjoying free sporting events including season tickets but he’s the only one I know of who constantly publicises his charitable giving.

Compare his net £4,187 per month earnings as an MP to his earnings from Musk for tweeting hatred on X.

Between 27 November and 22 January 2025, just two months, he has declared five receipts totalling £12,462 for just few hours work for each payment.

The last payment declared is £4,699.60 received 22 January 2025 for five hours work. Almost a £1,000 an hour for tweeting hatred. His hourly rate has increased substantially since Musk decided he would be a better leader of Reform than Farage.

Here is Lowe this morning:

I don't care about diversity, and nor should you.

And this gem yesterday:

Any signs in a foreign language should be removed - on roads, in hospitals/GP surgeries, for transport networks, wherever. This is England, and we speak English. Don't like it? Leave.

Great for tourism! Any non-Welsh speakers here living in Wales? Anyone who travels in another countries where they do not speak the language? Let’s hope the never need an English language road sign, or medical help because that’s the kind of closed-off, isolationist, xenophobic world that Lowe wants.

And while we are talking about his largesse, let’s not forget his directorship of Digme Fitness with Akshata Murty.

Private Eye 19 August 2024 -

Rupert Lowe, the new MP for Great Yarmouth, is anything but your typical "man of the people." A landed Cotswold toff, Lowe's career spans from his days as the unpopular football chairman of Southampton FC, to his current directorship of 13 corporate entities, including co-director with Akshata Murty (aka Mrs Rishi Sunak) at Digme Fitness which went bust in 2022 after taking £630,000 in furlough cash and owing creditors £6.1m.

Guardian 13 February 2023

… the fitness chain Digme Fitness, fell into administration in 2021, owing more than £6.1 million in VAT and PAYE taxes, after having received furlough payments of up to £630,000.

Yes, he’s really impressive.

maddyone

^the reason people have no safe passage is because of Brexit^

No it’s not!
People were coming on lorries and even underneath trains long before Brexit.
Let’s have truth, not fiction.

That is very true.

SilverBrook

The impressive Rupert Lowe!!!

Rupert Lowe donates his entire net MP salary to different charities each month (accompanied by a huge fanfare of virtual signalling) but receives a large tax advantage for doing so. Each £4,187 he gives (the net sum is confirmed on his personal website) earns him personal tax relief of £1,308 on his other substantial income. The charity will also receive £1,047 in Gift Aid so his £4,187 pm will cost the Exchequer £2,355 pm.

He made a big deal out of donating a month’s salary to Great Yarmouth FC but also declares four free seasons tickets from them so the net benefit to the club is less than he claims. Why doesn’t he pay for his season tickets? He’s not the only MP enjoying free sporting events including season tickets but he’s the only one I know of who constantly publicises his charitable giving.

Compare his net £4,187 per month earnings as an MP to his earnings from Musk for tweeting hatred on X.

Between 27 November and 22 January 2025, just two months, he has declared five receipts totalling £12,462 for just few hours work for each payment.

The last payment declared is £4,699.60 received 22 January 2025 for five hours work. Almost a £1,000 an hour for tweeting hatred. His hourly rate has increased substantially since Musk decided he would be a better leader of Reform than Farage.

Here is Lowe this morning:

I don't care about diversity, and nor should you.

And this gem yesterday:

Any signs in a foreign language should be removed - on roads, in hospitals/GP surgeries, for transport networks, wherever. This is England, and we speak English. Don't like it? Leave.

Great for tourism! Any non-Welsh speakers here living in Wales? Anyone who travels in another countries where they do not speak the language? Let’s hope the never need an English language road sign, or medical help because that’s the kind of closed-off, isolationist, xenophobic world that Lowe wants.

And while we are talking about his largesse, let’s not forget his directorship of Digme Fitness with Akshata Murty.

Private Eye 19 August 2024 -

Rupert Lowe, the new MP for Great Yarmouth, is anything but your typical "man of the people." A landed Cotswold toff, Lowe's career spans from his days as the unpopular football chairman of Southampton FC, to his current directorship of 13 corporate entities, including co-director with Akshata Murty (aka Mrs Rishi Sunak) at Digme Fitness which went bust in 2022 after taking £630,000 in furlough cash and owing creditors £6.1m.

Guardian 13 February 2023

… the fitness chain Digme Fitness, fell into administration in 2021, owing more than £6.1 million in VAT and PAYE taxes, after having received furlough payments of up to £630,000.

Yes, he’s really impressive.

I've never seen street signs in English, in any of the foreign countries I have visited, which has been many, apart from English speaking nations. Google maps is a great help. Yet here we are unessessarily putting street signs up in any language that suits the powers that be.
It needs to stop.
As for translators, I can see the need for that,obviously, but if you are visiting you need to contribute to the cost. Let's see insurance cover, who would guess!!!

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Mt61 it does say “ Three of those polls put the party in the lead, either solely or in tandem with Labour.”

👍🏻

Primrose53

Even the Speaker is biased. He allowed shouting and jeering etc. the other way round and he would have been shouting “Order, Order.”

That wasn’t really fair tbh

maddyone

^the reason people have no safe passage is because of Brexit^

No it’s not!
People were coming on lorries and even underneath trains long before Brexit.
Let’s have truth, not fiction.

The briefing I linked to clearly states this:

What practical difference will the end of the Regulations make?

• The loss of a legal route for refugee family reunion

The Dublin Regulation provides a legal route for reuniting people seeking asylum with separated family members in Europe, because it prioritises respect for family reunion above certain other considerations. Furthermore, the Regulation applies more generous eligibility criteria than the UK’s comparable refugee family reunion Immigration Rules. Consequently, it gave some separated family members a legal route to reunion in the UK that they would not have otherwise had.

There it is in black and white. A government paper published by the previous government in 2020. Not fiction.

And a graphic showing the escalating numbers since 2018 and the huge leap in 2021 after leaving the EU on 31 January 2020.

Source: migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

How is that fiction?

‘The Dublin III Regulation enabled the UK to return some asylum seekers to EU Member States without considering their asylum claims. It also provided a legal (and therefore safe) route for reuniting separated asylum-seeking family members in the UK. The Regulation no longer applied in UK from the date the UK left the EU.’…”
But you can’t deny that this is true, can you. (I’d welcome a reply to this by the way).

dragonfly46

Just because they arrive in boats doesn't mean they are not entitled to being here having fled for their lives.

From where? France?

Your ignorance of these matters is breathtaking

Nah, its just yer bog standard stuff really. All whipped up by somebody who can string two words together.

Weren't we supposed to be flooded by Bulgarians at one time? I recall looking out of the window expecting such a deluge.

Freya5

SilverBrook

The impressive Rupert Lowe!!!

Rupert Lowe donates his entire net MP salary to different charities each month (accompanied by a huge fanfare of virtual signalling) but receives a large tax advantage for doing so. Each £4,187 he gives (the net sum is confirmed on his personal website) earns him personal tax relief of £1,308 on his other substantial income. The charity will also receive £1,047 in Gift Aid so his £4,187 pm will cost the Exchequer £2,355 pm.

He made a big deal out of donating a month’s salary to Great Yarmouth FC but also declares four free seasons tickets from them so the net benefit to the club is less than he claims. Why doesn’t he pay for his season tickets? He’s not the only MP enjoying free sporting events including season tickets but he’s the only one I know of who constantly publicises his charitable giving.

Compare his net £4,187 per month earnings as an MP to his earnings from Musk for tweeting hatred on X.

Between 27 November and 22 January 2025, just two months, he has declared five receipts totalling £12,462 for just few hours work for each payment.

The last payment declared is £4,699.60 received 22 January 2025 for five hours work. Almost a £1,000 an hour for tweeting hatred. His hourly rate has increased substantially since Musk decided he would be a better leader of Reform than Farage.

Here is Lowe this morning:

I don't care about diversity, and nor should you.

And this gem yesterday:

Any signs in a foreign language should be removed - on roads, in hospitals/GP surgeries, for transport networks, wherever. This is England, and we speak English. Don't like it? Leave.

Great for tourism! Any non-Welsh speakers here living in Wales? Anyone who travels in another countries where they do not speak the language? Let’s hope the never need an English language road sign, or medical help because that’s the kind of closed-off, isolationist, xenophobic world that Lowe wants.

And while we are talking about his largesse, let’s not forget his directorship of Digme Fitness with Akshata Murty.

Private Eye 19 August 2024 -

Rupert Lowe, the new MP for Great Yarmouth, is anything but your typical "man of the people." A landed Cotswold toff, Lowe's career spans from his days as the unpopular football chairman of Southampton FC, to his current directorship of 13 corporate entities, including co-director with Akshata Murty (aka Mrs Rishi Sunak) at Digme Fitness which went bust in 2022 after taking £630,000 in furlough cash and owing creditors £6.1m.

Guardian 13 February 2023

… the fitness chain Digme Fitness, fell into administration in 2021, owing more than £6.1 million in VAT and PAYE taxes, after having received furlough payments of up to £630,000.

Yes, he’s really impressive.

I've never seen street signs in English, in any of the foreign countries I have visited, which has been many, apart from English speaking nations. Google maps is a great help. Yet here we are unessessarily putting street signs up in any language that suits the powers that be.
It needs to stop.
As for translators, I can see the need for that,obviously, but if you are visiting you need to contribute to the cost. Let's see insurance cover, who would guess!!!

Greece has street signs in English.

The French and Dutch have signs in English.

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Just to repeated what Lowe tweeted and is paid by Musk to do so.

Any signs in a foreign language should be removed - on roads, in hospitals/GP surgeries, for transport networks, wherever. This is England, and we speak English. Don't like it? Leave.

Road signs in Ramsgate and Northumberland that would have steam coming out of his ears.

If Lowe expects people living here to speak English; do the "ex-pats" elsewhere, for example, Spain, all speak Spanish ?

Have Tice and Oakshot learned Arabic? They are both ardent brexiters so are they being hypocritical in their actions?

I know English is spoken in both countries, however, it is not the native language, which is Lowe's argument.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

However if the irregular migrants arriving on rubber boats are unskilled and end up net recipients of benefit UK how on earth will this help our economy?

I also believe Reform will pull out of the ECHR. Ergo - no international treaty will be broken by returning boat people.

This is incorrect FGT.

ECHR is irrelevant to returning people on boats to France. ECHR pertains to the rights of people within the UK - eg for all citizens but also registered Asylum seekers. Changing the ECHR will make no difference as to "returning" boat people at sea or on arrival.

As SilverBook points out earlier,

Article 19 of UNCLOS says that if a foreign vessel enters another country's territorial waters it will be considered to be prejudicial to the peace if it engages in the loading or unloading of any person contrary to the immigration laws of that country.

Migrants cannot be returned to French shores, unilaterally, and without prior agreement with France.

In 2019, France and the UK agreed on a joint plan to tackle irregular migration which does provide for cooperation, but it DOES NOT allow one country to bring people rescued in the English Channel to the other country's ports.”

Imagine UK reactions if France or any other country decided to land a boat of people on our shores?

It amounts to an Act of War and that is why Article 19 of UNCLOS is in place.

flump

If Lowe expects people living here to speak English; do the "ex-pats" elsewhere, for example, Spain, all speak Spanish ?

Have Tice and Oakshot learned Arabic? They are both ardent brexiters so are they being hypocritical in their actions?

I know English is spoken in both countries, however, it is not the native language, which is Lowe's argument.

There are so many thousands of Anglo-Saxon immigrants all over the world, and often actually a majority in some parts of France and Spain, who do not speak the local language to any degree of fluency even after years, and even many decades in that country. With restaurants, bars, pubs, shops, clubs, and yes, even Churches that are English speaking only. The hypocrisy is vast! And they are not 'expats' as they call themselves, but immigrants, economic and life style migrants.
Many lived sort of off-radar, playing both systems, taxation, health care, social payments, etc. Good job Brexit stopped them- only advantage I can see so far.

SilverBrook

Just to repeated what Lowe tweeted and is paid by Musk to do so.

Any signs in a foreign language should be removed - on roads, in hospitals/GP surgeries, for transport networks, wherever. This is England, and we speak English. Don't like it? Leave.

Road signs in Ramsgate and Northumberland that would have steam coming out of his ears.

Yes, there are signs in several languages as you come out of Harwich too, advising drivers who have just come off the ferries that we drive on the left. I don't see any problem with that.

The idea of Musk paying someone like Lowe on sensible street signs is straight from Trumps "how to" manual and completely, utterly bizarre.
An unelected billionaire takes a shine to a very rich Reform MP who runs to do his bidding.

On "returning the boats" - here it is in Reform Policy document, clearly promoting the falsehood we can return the boats.

To the extent people on GN supporting Reform have been believing it.

What also chilled me however was point 4
New Dept. of Immigration staffed by believers

whats the plan? Like trump atm, sack all the workers in the Dept of immigration and reappoint by tested "believers".

Three words I suppose. Cuts out any actual thinking or basic humanity.