Donald Trump said his nephew’s disabled son should be left to die!

I read Fred Trump 3's book last year and, whilst it is one person's view, it is worth reading.
Trump's family was/is, it seems, very very dysfunctional!

I think things will get worse before they get better really. It was a bad system before and now it has swung to the other end of bad. Oh for some decent commonsense ‘moderates’ with the ability and personality to get their voices heard.

I don't think anyone with half a brain has ever imagined Trump to have empathy, surely? This is just another story which illustrates his nature (and that of the people who support and enable him). His enablers don't want him to display empathy in any case - they want him to be ruthless as he creates the kind of world they imagine they will all personally thrive in. They'll learn. Meanwhile, the rest of humanity is hoping for an end to the kind of callous inhumanity that's currently developing before our incredulous eyes.

My understanding of the proposed Bill, Galaxy is that a person who is cognitively impaired in any way, cannot give consent and is therefore exempt.

As for Trump, I am not at all surprised at his total lack of empathy, and his willingness to see a person with a disability as of no worth. He is a truly horrible person.

The hospital where our first was born in 1983 was spotless but when I was in the second stage of labour, Mr. S. and I were left alone.

DS was face presentation and eventually delivered by forceps, having been in the birth canal for too long he was blue and distressed so had to be placed in an incubator. 48 hours after the birth I was given 2 units of blood due to the amount lost during labour.

Cossy

nanna8

I am absolutely certain it has happened in the UK,too. And in Australia. I had my first child in England and was totally neglected and nearly died. My Australian obstetrician told me I had been very badly treated but as it was my first then I had just accepted that they leave placentas behind and let you bleed for 9 weeks with no help whatsoever. This was in the 1970 s . I might add that the hospital was filthy and overrun with cockroaches. Australia was a breath of fresh air after that, even though I went ‘public’. I hope things have improved but I doubt it somehow.

Good lord, never heard of such a thing!

I’ve had four children born between 1985 and 2002, in all cases my maternity care, both pre and post, was excellent and the hospitals wards clean.

Yes, nanna8 some of the care in the UK was shocking back then.
People I know had a child who was severely brain-damaged because the mother was just ignored in hospital despite her pleas for help back in the 1980s.
I was also left to give birth on my own in the other filthy hospital I described above; luckily my child was fine.

That's a hospital we have to use now, another friend's recent experience was that it was filthy.

Although the UK hospital where I had a child in the 1980s was filthy and there was Legionnaires Disease there as well. Not a good experience.

Cossy

nanna8

I am absolutely certain it has happened in the UK,too. And in Australia. I had my first child in England and was totally neglected and nearly died. My Australian obstetrician told me I had been very badly treated but as it was my first then I had just accepted that they leave placentas behind and let you bleed for 9 weeks with no help whatsoever. This was in the 1970 s . I might add that the hospital was filthy and overrun with cockroaches. Australia was a breath of fresh air after that, even though I went ‘public’. I hope things have improved but I doubt it somehow.

Good lord, never heard of such a thing!

I’ve had four children born between 1985 and 2002, in all cases my maternity care, both pre and post, was excellent and the hospitals wards clean.

I had wonderful health care.. lovely clean, though old, hospital and exceptional midwives. I was in hospital for about 5 days
unheard of now but I remember feeling confident when I went home..

nanna8

I am absolutely certain it has happened in the UK,too. And in Australia. I had my first child in England and was totally neglected and nearly died. My Australian obstetrician told me I had been very badly treated but as it was my first then I had just accepted that they leave placentas behind and let you bleed for 9 weeks with no help whatsoever. This was in the 1970 s . I might add that the hospital was filthy and overrun with cockroaches. Australia was a breath of fresh air after that, even though I went ‘public’. I hope things have improved but I doubt it somehow.

Australian maternity care was truly dreadful. And that was private in the 2000s.

Galaxy

Well that sounds awful but it is pretty much what I think will happen with the assisted dying bill. I personally dont think either side gives much care to those with disabilities.

Galaxy thank goodness the world is not peopled with Donald Trumps. He is a narcissist and they make statements like that.

This attitude of Trumps has absolutely nothing to do with assisted dying which is a loving and deeply compassionate process that many countries have adopted to make the end of life for people who are terminally ill and suffering greatly,as pain free and dignified as possible. I have faith in our society that this process, once adopted, will not be abused in the way you seem to think.

i had my children in the early 1970s. I was far better looked after than my DiL in the 2000s

LizzieDrip

Wow nanna!

Here’s an alternative experience.

I gave birth to my daughter in an NHS hospital the 1970s. I was very young, and naive about anything to do with childbirth - so needed all the help I could get.

I received the most marvellous care both during and after the birth - physically and emotionally.

Hospital spotless; no cockroaches!

Your experience was unfortunate but, as WW says, “please don’t disparage an entire institution that has saved many lives”… and continues to do so on a daily basis.

I had my first in 1971 and I was a teenager and also had wonderful care except for the doctor who stitched me. That was the only unpleasant bit.

nanna8

I am absolutely certain it has happened in the UK,too. And in Australia. I had my first child in England and was totally neglected and nearly died. My Australian obstetrician told me I had been very badly treated but as it was my first then I had just accepted that they leave placentas behind and let you bleed for 9 weeks with no help whatsoever. This was in the 1970 s . I might add that the hospital was filthy and overrun with cockroaches. Australia was a breath of fresh air after that, even though I went ‘public’. I hope things have improved but I doubt it somehow.

Good lord, never heard of such a thing!

I’ve had four children born between 1985 and 2002, in all cases my maternity care, both pre and post, was excellent and the hospitals wards clean.

Claremont

The USA Pro-life movement, which makes it impossible for a woman to chose early in pregnancy, but just not care at all for what happens to the woman and the child post birth- is just sick.

Absolutely! They are actually “pro birth” , no help at all but these poor babies and often young mums in poverty,

”but we must support the NHS”

I agree J52.

We hear of the times when things have gone wrong and, tragic though they are, such events are a tiny minority.

What we don’t hear about, so much, is the caring, life-saving, ground-breaking work of the NHS that continues 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

We in the UK are fortunate to benefit from this most wonderful institution.

I had my children in the Royal Free, Hampstead in the 1890s. Fabulous anti and post natal care. The week spent there was like a 4* hotel, everything was available for mothers and babies.
A bit OTT perhaps, but we must support the NHS.

Wow nanna!

Here’s an alternative experience.

I gave birth to my daughter in an NHS hospital the 1970s. I was very young, and naive about anything to do with childbirth - so needed all the help I could get.

I received the most marvellous care both during and after the birth - physically and emotionally.

Hospital spotless; no cockroaches!

Your experience was unfortunate but, as WW says, “please don’t disparage an entire institution that has saved many lives”… and continues to do so on a daily basis.

Blimey nanna where on earth was that hospital?!

Our NHS has had many problems - but I’ve never heard of them being filthy, over run with cockroaches and such problems with childbirth,

You need to get up to speed quickly.

I live on the south coast and our local hospital is about 5 years old now. Originally commissioned by the labour government. It is light and airy with small wards and many single rooms (in fact hospitals commissioned now will all have single rooms according to my neighbour who deals with such things).

It is a university hospital, that trains many doctors, which I know from personal experience benefits other countries like Australia.

Our doctors are without doubt some of the best trained in the world, and it is recognised so.

So please don’t disparage an institution that has saved so many lives, that has been admired snd copied world wide and still survives despite everything that has been thrown at it including chronic lack of funding.

I am absolutely certain it has happened in the UK,too. And in Australia. I had my first child in England and was totally neglected and nearly died. My Australian obstetrician told me I had been very badly treated but as it was my first then I had just accepted that they leave placentas behind and let you bleed for 9 weeks with no help whatsoever. This was in the 1970 s . I might add that the hospital was filthy and overrun with cockroaches. Australia was a breath of fresh air after that, even though I went ‘public’. I hope things have improved but I doubt it somehow.

Wyllow3

Fred Trumps' son has parents who can afford the care help, and treatments.

Just read an article on Texas.

Texas abortion laws prohibit almost all abortions, with exceptions for cases where the mother's life or health is at risk. The laws also impose civil and criminal penalties for those who perform abortions.

Heart breaking waits and lack of care for children born with birth disabilities. Further cuts on the way with Trump cuts.

Cannot express how angry I feel.

Several pregnant women have actually died in Texas trying to get medical care when problems in a pregnancy arise.

Happened in Georgia too.

It's odd the way this thread has gone surely the issue with Trump was not whether or not he believed it was better to let severely disabled children die but the fact that he had so little empathy for his nephew that he thought it was appropriate to say what he did to him? I find it shocking that anyone would have so little feeling that they felt able to say what he did to the parent of a child that was obviously loved and cared for despite his disabilities.

It’s not just the family Primrose, more importantly what sort of life (existence?) has she ever had? My opinion is that such babies should be allowed to peacefully pass away - but then, thank God, my child and my grandchildren were not born with such terrible handicaps.

My late MIL always maintained that severely handicapped babies should be left to peacefully pass away. I used to think she was hard hearted but my views have changed.

I had a friend at primary school who had a severely handicapped slightly younger sister. She was unable to speak, feed herself, her eyes just rolled round and round, she just sat all day, every day in her huge padded wheelchair that supported her whole body. Obviously she was doubly incontinent, unable to stand or do anything for herself.
Her Mum looked after her until she was 10 but it was such a struggle as she got bigger and heavier that she then went into a home.

Amazingly she is still alive and now 68 years old. She is just the same as she was as a baby. Her care must have cost absolutely millions which, in my opinion, could have been better spent.

Her mother died many years ago, as did her brother. Her sister visits her just once a year now as she has never recognised or interacted with any of them.

If she had just slipped away after birth, the family would have been sad but they would have been spared years of caring for her and decades of visiting and worrying about her.

If I said what I think of Trump I’d be banned.
I worked with similar children WW many in a children’s home, most abused, so I chose, in fact paid, for a new test when pregnant with my son. There are certain conditions, had they been identified I’d have chosen a termination, I’d seen the reality first hand.

Claremont

theworriedwell, that was just awful and so wrong, and I am very sorry you had to go through this.

However, this has really nothing to compare as with Assisted Dying, none whatsoever. As with the latter, the person themselves have to make a clear choice, and a totally personal REQUEST, in very specific circumstances, for help to avoid the last painful last stages of a terminal illness. Withe every step taken to ensure no coercion.

You might feel that doctor wouldn't have a similar view of the disabled or terminally ill. I'm not convinced.