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Nigel Farage in London with hundreds of farmers today

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Primrose53 Mon 10-Feb-25 09:58:50

Say what you like about him, but he is all over the place and doing a good job. In London again today with hundreds of farmers. Various venues.

Jane43 Mon 10-Feb-25 20:20:40

Churchview

Also, when he was an MEP Farage had a gift of an opportunity to make huge positive impact on British farming. Instead he rarely attended the European parliament and on the few occasions he did he he made a complete fool of himself and our country by association.

When he has the chance to actually do some work and represent the people who voted for them he does nothing. The man's all for show and division.

His attendance record at the European Parliament was appalling he was 748th out of 751 MEPs on attendance and he gets a pension of £73,000 a year for that. Since the election he has lied about the Southport killer and about local elections being cancelled. Now Reform have 200,000 members he stands to get 60% of the annual fee of £25 they pay and he also charges people to attend meetings. The man is a con artist.

Ilovecheese Mon 10-Feb-25 20:15:48

I do hope they will be punished in the same matter as the climate change protesters if they hold up the traffic and prevent people getting to hospital appointments etc.

Barleyfields Mon 10-Feb-25 20:13:55

So did many people, but their circumstances - such as divorce to name but one - meant that their lives and mortgages didn’t turn out as planned.

theworriedwell Mon 10-Feb-25 20:06:52

Barleyfields

Lucky you, the worried well. Many people are still paying off a mortgage after they retire.

Oh well I worked hard and didn't fritter my money away did I.

Barleyfields Mon 10-Feb-25 20:06:18

They could, but the share given away would still form part of their estate for IHT.

theworriedwell Mon 10-Feb-25 20:04:24

Can older farmers give their children a share in the farm? Would they still be able to live there and take an income if they own 50 or 25% of the farm?

Barleyfields Mon 10-Feb-25 20:02:44

Lucky you, the worried well. Many people are still paying off a mortgage after they retire.

theworriedwell Mon 10-Feb-25 19:59:47

MayBee70

Why were the news media interviewing Farage today instead of representatives of the farmers union? Why is he given so much publicitysad?

Presumably it'd not what you know it's who you know.

theworriedwell Mon 10-Feb-25 19:58:46

Barleyfields

Of course it sounds good to people who don’t have much to pass on. To those who do, it represents what they have worked and saved for for decades. Of course they could have frittered it all away and have nothing much to leave, but they chose not to. Should they be penalised for that choice?

You haven't worked and paid for the appreciation on your property. Most of us after 25 years live rent free, I had a 20 year mortgage I took out at 20. I've lived rent and mortgage free for over 30 years and meanwhile the value of the house has gone up by hundreds of thousands of pounds

MayBee70 Mon 10-Feb-25 19:57:33

Why were the news media interviewing Farage today instead of representatives of the farmers union? Why is he given so much publicitysad?

David49 Mon 10-Feb-25 19:49:28

M0nica

That is not what the source I quoted said.

There is an awful lot of Forest, Hill and Moorland in the top ten

Top 10 biggest UK landowners

Forestry Commission (2.2m acres) A non-ministerial government department responsible for promoting the establishment and management of woodland.
Ministry of Defence (850,174 acres) A ministerial government department, with three-quarters of its land sited in England, where it used for military training.
National Trust and National Trust For Scotland (800,000 acres) Britain’s largest farmer, the National Trust, owns 620,000 acres and has an annual income of £680m, while the National Trust for Scotland has about 180,000 acres. Together, they have more than 1,500 tenants.
The Crown Estate (678,420 acres) The UK sovereign’s public estate, which is neither government property nor part of the monarch’s private estate.
Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (332,000 acres) One of the world’s largest wildlife conservation organisations with 222 nature reserves across the UK.
Richard Scott, Duke of Buccleuch and Queensberry (280,000 acres) The 10th Duke of Buccleuch, 12th Duke of Queensberry and chief of Clan Scott is a Scottish landholder and peer.
Anders Holch Povlsen (218,364 acres) A Danish entrepreneur and the largest individual private landowner in the UK. He is the sole owner of retail clothing chain Bestseller and has a net worth estimated at about £9.2bn.
The Duke of Atholl’s Trusts (145,000 acres) The Duke of Atholl is a title in the peerage of Scotland that is always held by the head of Clan Murray. It was created by Queen Anne in 1703.
United Utilities (141,000 acres) A water supply company with the majority of its acreage in the north-west of England, notably Merseyside, Lancashire, Cheshire and Cumbria.
Hugh Richard Louis Grosvenor (140,000 acres) The seventh Duke of Westminster is just 31 years old and has an estimated net worth of £10bn.
Private investors
Within this list only one private investor – Anders Holch Povlsen – nudges shoulders with the establishment, UK government, charities and organisations.

M0nica Mon 10-Feb-25 18:42:52

That is not what the source I quoted said.

David49 Mon 10-Feb-25 18:22:49

M0nica

Not really. 75% of our agricultural land is owned and farmed by large estates and commercial estate companies, who are not affected by this piece of cock-eyed legislation. www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets-and-trends/land-markets/who-owns-britains-farmland

Much of the land in that article is Forestry, Hill Land in Scotland, Army Ranges and other land that has very limited production use.
A large percentage of the productive land is owned by farmers.

HousePlantQueen Mon 10-Feb-25 18:01:28

vegansrock

Tax the Junk Food, Fast Food, Super Processed Food giants driving obesity which costs the economy nearly £100 billion a year in obesity driven ill health.
Talk to farmers and sort out the inheritance tax so it doesn't bankrupt them and our countryside ends up being sold off to the international hedgefund managers and billionaires that already own every other bit of British assets.

I agree. While we are at it I would like to see punitive taxes imposed on online gambling companies.

Norah Mon 10-Feb-25 17:59:12

HousePlantQueen

Barleyfields

The trouble is, Churchview, you have absolutely no idea what the tax on your estate will be spent on. A vanity project perhaps. I intend to allow the government to get their hands on as little of my money as possible. Preferably none. I have paid plenty of tax over the years and continue to do so, as do many of us despite having retired.

Yes, that pesky government might fritter my IHT on paying for n elderly person, such as on GN, to have a hip replaced, where can I object?

We've no objection to to hip replacements for elderly, where is it said that that is what the government will spend IHT on?

Allira Mon 10-Feb-25 17:51:22

Boz

Barleyfields

Of course it sounds good to people who don’t have much to pass on. To those who do, it represents what they have worked and saved for for decades. Of course they could have frittered it all away and have nothing much to leave, but they chose not to. Should they be penalised for that choice?

My feelings entirely.

This tax was created to nobble the rich; unfortunately, with the price of property. more ordinary people are being sucked in.It is not right or fair.

It's an anomaly; it was intended to grab money from the landed gentry which resulted in many stately home owners having to diversify and open to the general public, our gain of course. However, because of fiscal drag, more and more ordinary people are pulled into the net.

In the meantime the new breed of extremely wealthy people find ways around it.

Boz Mon 10-Feb-25 17:38:41

Barleyfields

Of course it sounds good to people who don’t have much to pass on. To those who do, it represents what they have worked and saved for for decades. Of course they could have frittered it all away and have nothing much to leave, but they chose not to. Should they be penalised for that choice?

My feelings entirely.

This tax was created to nobble the rich; unfortunately, with the price of property. more ordinary people are being sucked in.It is not right or fair.

Barleyfields Mon 10-Feb-25 17:33:29

Of course it sounds good to people who don’t have much to pass on. To those who do, it represents what they have worked and saved for for decades. Of course they could have frittered it all away and have nothing much to leave, but they chose not to. Should they be penalised for that choice?

MaizieD Mon 10-Feb-25 17:18:32

Half a £million plus 60% of whatever is left sounds pretty good to an awful lot of people who will never have so much to pass on, or will never inherit anything close to it.

Inheritance is one of the factors leading to the growth of inequality and the concentration of wealth in the hands of rver fewer people.

Renting is a perfectly valid choice, but why on earth some of you think that renters get away with not paying for the upkeep and maintenance of the property they rent is something of a mystery to me. What on earth do you think they pay rent for?

vegansrock Mon 10-Feb-25 17:06:28

Tax the Junk Food, Fast Food, Super Processed Food giants driving obesity which costs the economy nearly £100 billion a year in obesity driven ill health.
Talk to farmers and sort out the inheritance tax so it doesn't bankrupt them and our countryside ends up being sold off to the international hedgefund managers and billionaires that already own every other bit of British assets.

Barleyfields Mon 10-Feb-25 16:00:21

I have no option but to pay income tax, nor any choice as to what it’s spent on beyond casting my vote. I refuse to have my estate pay one penny of IHT that I can possibly avoid. People constantly claim that not many estates are subject to IHT, so it can’t be a very big contributor to the cost of hip replacements can it?

maddyone Mon 10-Feb-25 15:52:20

Barleyfields

The trouble is, Churchview, you have absolutely no idea what the tax on your estate will be spent on. A vanity project perhaps. I intend to allow the government to get their hands on as little of my money as possible. Preferably none. I have paid plenty of tax over the years and continue to do so, as do many of us despite having retired.

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HousePlantQueen Mon 10-Feb-25 15:51:22

Barleyfields

The trouble is, Churchview, you have absolutely no idea what the tax on your estate will be spent on. A vanity project perhaps. I intend to allow the government to get their hands on as little of my money as possible. Preferably none. I have paid plenty of tax over the years and continue to do so, as do many of us despite having retired.

Yes, that pesky government might fritter my IHT on paying for n elderly person, such as on GN, to have a hip replaced, where can I object?

Barleyfields Mon 10-Feb-25 15:49:51

It was obviously intended to attack people who invest in agricultural land to avoid IHT, but it was seriously badly flawed and the government cannot bring themselves to admit that it has had unintended consequences. The rich who invest in farmland to avoid IHT will own it through a company or a family trust, neither of which will ever die. Therefore the family farms are the ones which will be hit.

HousePlantQueen Mon 10-Feb-25 15:49:26

vegansrock

Farage with his wellies and Barbour pretending to be Mr Rural when everyone knows he is a Londoner with a posh background.

Indeed. It is pitiful how many people think that Farage is a 'man of the people', how many people are fooled by a man holding a pint.