Well, well, Starmer goes for Trump rather than the EU.

Make his own or use someone else's, the media would report either as worthy of instant dismissal.

Mind you, the press would come down on him hard if they found out he had made the jam himself.

I've just read the thread title again. How dismissive! It is evident when you read a bit more about it that the UK line was formulated before the Paris meeting, not parroted by a sycophant to echo Trump's response. Plus, Starmer wasn't at the meeting - he sent the man with responsibility for AI matters in his place, after various consultations in the UK on the subject.

He has said himself that as AI has changed as it developed, his views on how best to stay in control of it have changed.

If Trump is reported to prefer apricot jam over marmalade on his toast, and you discovered that is what Starmer has eaten for breakfast for the last twenty years, would you invite us all to scoff at him for toadying? It is possible for two people to come to the same conclusion without one blindly following another. You know that is true too on Gransnet - it is common for several people to make similar comments on a thread completely independently.

Also, we don't have individual postcodes in the UK. Several of my neighbours have the same postcode as me. If you look up your postcode you see the centre of the postcode area - not your actual house.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I always think about France who don’t even have food deliveries. No internet shopping for groceries there! I think it’s something to do with not having individual post codes (why not in this day and age, surely we must be leaders in this as we’ve had them years?) at addresses. My cousin says deliveries of goods go to their nearest Tabac 5km. away.

This isn't true. There are postcodes in France.
www.smarty.com/articles/la-poste

All the major supermarkets and many local grocery and speciality food stores deliver - veg boxes, Hello Fresh etc all deliver.

Vos courses au pas de votre porte - your shopping at your doorstep. www.carrefour.fr/services/livraison-domicile

Ilovecheese

If the internet had had a bit more regulation there might not be so much pornography on it.

This is quite different tho.

If the internet had had a bit more regulation there might not be so much pornography on it.

The US has sided with the UK in refusing to sign a leaders’ declaration at the climax of the AI Action Summit in Paris.



There had been reports that the US would not sign the declaration after the UK had reportedly raised concerns about the wording, which is said to include references to “sustainable and inclusive AI”.



The White House would not comment on “live” discussions, but the President’s official spokesman told reporters in Washington “We’ll only ever sign up to initiatives that are in the US’s national interests.”



So China not always the best option it seems. A world bonus!

I think we in the UK and the US don’t want to be tied up in regulations regarding AI and want to be competitive.

What did I miss! 😮

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Mamie

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Interesting point.

Still doesn't exactly prove your assertion that France would have stopped the Internet though does it?

No. Just anecdotal nonsense from me.

For those interested, the UK end of the 1980s school project was TTNS, The Times Network System. That didn't exactly catch on worldwide either. 😂

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I always think about France who don’t even have food deliveries. No internet shopping for groceries there! I think it’s something to do with not having individual post codes (why not in this day and age, surely we must be leaders in this as we’ve had them years?) at addresses. My cousin says deliveries of goods go to their nearest Tabac 5km. away.

Home delivery everything, however small, is very inefficient, grouping them at one point is far easier and cheaper, just one of the reasons the UK is wasteful.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Interesting point.

Still doesn't exactly prove your assertion that France would have stopped the Internet though does it?

Interesting point.

Mamie

Well you are quite wrong about France and the Internet. Have you never heard of Minitel? 😮
"The Minitel, officially known as TELETEL, was an interactive videotex online service accessible through telephone lines. It was the world's first and most successful mass-market online service prior to the World Wide Web.[1] It was developed in Cesson-Sévigné, Brittany, by government-owned France Télécom."
DH and I went to see it demonstrated sometime in the early 1980s. I also ran a project in the late 80s to connect English secondary schools with French ones via Minitel.

Minitel deserves credit but it's success was mainly because noone had to pay for it, the government offered it to everyone for free so it was extremely popular in France. They never managed to successfully market it elsewhere

I’m with Vance. (No surprise there!)

petra

This article doesn’t paint a good picture of the eu and technology.
I’m not surprised at all.
www.digitaleurope.org/news/study-europe-is-behind-on-almost-all-critical-technologies-current-economic-security-strategy-is-too-defensive/#:~:text=EU%20lags%20in%20most%20critical,mainly%20captured%20by%20the%20US.

Thank goodness we are out.

I agree about the lack of Internet food shopping, it is a pain, but it is mostly to protect local shops and keep them open.
On the other hand the DoctoLib app allows me to make medical appointments with my GP, specialists like dermatologists, dentists etc. You can make the appointment, cancel or postpone it and get reminders via messages.

I always think about France who don’t even have food deliveries. No internet shopping for groceries there! I think it’s something to do with not having individual post codes (why not in this day and age, surely we must be leaders in this as we’ve had them years?) at addresses. My cousin says deliveries of goods go to their nearest Tabac 5km. away.

This article doesn’t paint a good picture of the eu and technology.
I’m not surprised at all.
www.digitaleurope.org/news/study-europe-is-behind-on-almost-all-critical-technologies-current-economic-security-strategy-is-too-defensive/#:~:text=EU%20lags%20in%20most%20critical,mainly%20captured%20by%20the%20US.

Well you are quite wrong about France and the Internet. Have you never heard of Minitel? 😮
"The Minitel, officially known as TELETEL, was an interactive videotex online service accessible through telephone lines. It was the world's first and most successful mass-market online service prior to the World Wide Web.[1] It was developed in Cesson-Sévigné, Brittany, by government-owned France Télécom."
DH and I went to see it demonstrated sometime in the early 1980s. I also ran a project in the late 80s to connect English secondary schools with French ones via Minitel.

Indeed Mamie that’s what I was commenting upon. In my excitement of Starmer (who wasn’t there) sanctioning a wise decision (for once - unless Chagos!) I forgot to reference it.

Nobody can control AI any more than HTML - and that’s a good thing.

The EU and France would have stopped the internet.