Well, well, Starmer goes for Trump rather than the EU.

We are still signed up with the EU as regards two other crucial EU regulatory measures, the Digital Services Act (DSA) and GDPR

(The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) is a law that protects the personal data of European Union residents. It came into effect on May 25, 2018)

It's not a case of "US versus EU", on AI, btw.

The agreement to sign or not to sign on the AI issue is world wide, China and India both signing up.

What’s that saying?
Oh yes:
The US innovates, China duplicates and the EU regulates.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

What’s that saying?
Oh yes:
The US innovates, China duplicates and the EU regulates.

If the eu aren’t careful they are going to be left behind in the new age we are entering.

"Kirsty Innes, director of technology at Labour Together, a think tank close to the Labour leadership, said ministers should not rush into legislating.

“I think getting to grips with AI is going to be a whole-of-government project for the whole mandate and they already have plenty underway,” she said. “There will of course need to be some new legislation on AI, but they will want to go into that with a very clear and specific idea of what needs to be done via an AI bill and what can be tackled elsewhere.”

The Tony Blair Institute, a think tank which has led much of the Labour government’s thinking on the technology, has also warned about the practicalities of an AI bill.

Britain’s AI Action Plan, written by tech investor Matt Clifford, didn’t call for AI legislation, arguing instead that safety concerns should be dealt with by giving more money to existing regulators, expanding the AISI and developing an AI assurance market. [AISI = Artificial Intelligence Safety Institute]

Launching that plan in January, Starmer struck a cautious tone on legislation. “We will test and understand AI before we regulate it to make sure that when we do it, it is proportionate and grounded in the science,” he said."

Sorry it in French, but there are huge plans for AI development here.
www.economie.gouv.fr/actualites/strategie-nationale-intelligence-artificielle#
There is a big AI summit going on in Paris as I write.

Nobody can control AI any more than HTML - and that’s a good thing.

The EU and France would have stopped the internet.

Indeed Mamie that’s what I was commenting upon. In my excitement of Starmer (who wasn’t there) sanctioning a wise decision (for once - unless Chagos!) I forgot to reference it.

Well you are quite wrong about France and the Internet. Have you never heard of Minitel? 😮
"The Minitel, officially known as TELETEL, was an interactive videotex online service accessible through telephone lines. It was the world's first and most successful mass-market online service prior to the World Wide Web.[1] It was developed in Cesson-Sévigné, Brittany, by government-owned France Télécom."
DH and I went to see it demonstrated sometime in the early 1980s. I also ran a project in the late 80s to connect English secondary schools with French ones via Minitel.

This article doesn’t paint a good picture of the eu and technology.
I’m not surprised at all.
www.digitaleurope.org/news/study-europe-is-behind-on-almost-all-critical-technologies-current-economic-security-strategy-is-too-defensive/#:~:text=EU%20lags%20in%20most%20critical,mainly%20captured%20by%20the%20US.

I always think about France who don’t even have food deliveries. No internet shopping for groceries there! I think it’s something to do with not having individual post codes (why not in this day and age, surely we must be leaders in this as we’ve had them years?) at addresses. My cousin says deliveries of goods go to their nearest Tabac 5km. away.

I agree about the lack of Internet food shopping, it is a pain, but it is mostly to protect local shops and keep them open.
On the other hand the DoctoLib app allows me to make medical appointments with my GP, specialists like dermatologists, dentists etc. You can make the appointment, cancel or postpone it and get reminders via messages.

petra

This article doesn’t paint a good picture of the eu and technology.
I’m not surprised at all.
www.digitaleurope.org/news/study-europe-is-behind-on-almost-all-critical-technologies-current-economic-security-strategy-is-too-defensive/#:~:text=EU%20lags%20in%20most%20critical,mainly%20captured%20by%20the%20US.

Thank goodness we are out.

I’m with Vance. (No surprise there!)

Mamie

Well you are quite wrong about France and the Internet. Have you never heard of Minitel? 😮
"The Minitel, officially known as TELETEL, was an interactive videotex online service accessible through telephone lines. It was the world's first and most successful mass-market online service prior to the World Wide Web.[1] It was developed in Cesson-Sévigné, Brittany, by government-owned France Télécom."
DH and I went to see it demonstrated sometime in the early 1980s. I also ran a project in the late 80s to connect English secondary schools with French ones via Minitel.

Minitel deserves credit but it's success was mainly because noone had to pay for it, the government offered it to everyone for free so it was extremely popular in France. They never managed to successfully market it elsewhere

Interesting point.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Interesting point.

Still doesn't exactly prove your assertion that France would have stopped the Internet though does it?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I always think about France who don’t even have food deliveries. No internet shopping for groceries there! I think it’s something to do with not having individual post codes (why not in this day and age, surely we must be leaders in this as we’ve had them years?) at addresses. My cousin says deliveries of goods go to their nearest Tabac 5km. away.

Home delivery everything, however small, is very inefficient, grouping them at one point is far easier and cheaper, just one of the reasons the UK is wasteful.

For those interested, the UK end of the 1980s school project was TTNS, The Times Network System. That didn't exactly catch on worldwide either. 😂

Mamie

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Interesting point.

Still doesn't exactly prove your assertion that France would have stopped the Internet though does it?

No. Just anecdotal nonsense from me.

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What did I miss! 😮

I think we in the UK and the US don’t want to be tied up in regulations regarding AI and want to be competitive.

The US has sided with the UK in refusing to sign a leaders’ declaration at the climax of the AI Action Summit in Paris.



There had been reports that the US would not sign the declaration after the UK had reportedly raised concerns about the wording, which is said to include references to “sustainable and inclusive AI”.



The White House would not comment on “live” discussions, but the President’s official spokesman told reporters in Washington “We’ll only ever sign up to initiatives that are in the US’s national interests.”



So China not always the best option it seems. A world bonus!

If the internet had had a bit more regulation there might not be so much pornography on it.