Next step in overriding female rights!

That this doctor objected to the nurse who stated that she thought he should not be in the female changing room, is the same as all the other women in the world who have complained about men in female changing rooms, and have suffered severely for saying so.
There is added jeopardy here, because of SP's refusal to play along with his fantasy that he is a woman, SP's future employment, her registration, and fitness to practice are all at risk.
He enjoyed playing word games with SP's barrister - with back up from his barrister - with regard to a definition of female/woman, actual woman etc, but I note that he did none of that with the judge and panel members who asked questions after the cross examination.
Anyone notice that he was wearing the earings that his wife wore in their wedding photograph?

Professor Robert Winston has called gender-affirming surgery ‘mutilation’ and has said that “we can remove bits of the body and change our shape and so on but you can’t change your sex because it is embedded in your genes in every cell of your body”.

Well if it is good enough for Professor Winston it is good enough for me!

Yup. And if women speak out about it we are 'phobic'.

HousePlantQueen

It is the hypocrisy of claiming discrimination/hurt feelings or whatever when the female nurse felt uncomfortable, but not acknowledging the feelings of said nurse. If you see what I am trying to say. Like others, if I was an emergency admission, the race or gender of the attending medical staff would nor be my first concern, but the one sided entitlement for consideration angers me

I do see, and that s what concerns me, not the being transgender.

It is Male entitlement.

It is the hypocrisy of claiming discrimination/hurt feelings or whatever when the female nurse felt uncomfortable, but not acknowledging the feelings of said nurse. If you see what I am trying to say. Like others, if I was an emergency admission, the race or gender of the attending medical staff would nor be my first concern, but the one sided entitlement for consideration angers me

Exactly, NonGrannyMoll

And people have a right to know who is around when they are getting dressed or undressed, when they are asleep, ill or otherwise vulnerable. What I, or any of us, would feel in any of those situations is neither here nor there. If anyone objects for their own reasons they have every right to do so, and pretending that there is no issue because a transwoman thinks they look like a woman just doesn't cut it.

Again speaking only for myself, I am less concerned if a transwoman has surgically transitioned (ie does not have male genitals and hormones), but if not they are 100% male. I know not everyone agrees that there is a difference and I respect that, but to me, if someone has female hormones (even artificial ones) and no male genitalia they pose much less of a threat than an intact male.

I think this is a much more complex question that just what the transgender person wants. Any transgender person who feels (s)he has a right to sweep away other people's concerns would, imho, make a very suspect doctor (or nurse or any other member of the caring professions). Every person in the world possesses some kind of sensitivities and it's a very boorish person who would use some legal clause to trample on them. I wouldn't want to have a boor in charge of my medical treatment.

Cossy How competent would you judge a Dr to be if he said that biological sex is “a nebulous concept” and yet he is categorical that he is a biological woman? How does he know? If it’s, as he claims, he feels like a woman then what he’s saying is that feelings over-ride facts.
Surely you agree that human biology is factual, not just a concept. And as others have mentioned, certain illnesses/diseases present differently in women and men. How will Dr U know how to treat patients if he’s unable to sex them correctly?
I can guarantee that he didn’t pass any medical exams by writing twaddle like that. I’m not sure when he qualified/left Dundee University but I’m sure that I’m correct in saying that DU have never/are not teaching that.

He is not biologically female. That is impossible.

And there is sufficient reporting of males presenting as female then attacking women for any woman to feel uncomfortable sharing a changing room with a male bodied person however they chose to represent themselves. Yet another example of natal women’s rights being eroded,

The case with this doctor is about him saying that a nurse was bullying him as she refused to share a changing room with him.
He says he is female and has as much right to the women's changing rooms as she has.
He walked in on her when she was just in her underwear. She had to leave as he refused to go.
This is on the BBC website.

Doodledog my feelings exactly

Ilovecheese

Having seen photos, I don't think there would be any need, the patients would know without asking.

That seems to me irrelevant. It's not about who can 'pass' best, it is about who is male and who is female.

Personally (speaking only for myself) I wouldn't mind who treated me if I were seriously ill, or even a routine check, but I do mind being treated by a doctor who thinks male people can be biologically female. Sex is immutable, whatever people have in their minds or how they feel. If anyone should understand that it is a doctor.

But if your culture/religion dictated that you could not be treated by a member of the opposite sex Cossy you might care and if a woman is being intimately examined by a trans woman, would that negate the legal requirement for a chaperone to also be present?

Rosie51

And that's fine for you Cossy and I dare say for lots of us. But if your personal preference, or indeed religious or cultural requirement was for a female doctor, then no matter Dr Upton thinks that because he says he's female then he qualifies, then he'd be wrong. It's the deception that is concerning.

I agree, if someone specifically requests a female doctor or nurse or carer that is what should be provided, a biological female, ie at birth.

I wouldn’t care who treated me, but I would care if they lied.

I was surprised that the question of religious or cultural requirement wasn't addressed.

And that's fine for you Cossy and I dare say for lots of us. But if your personal preference, or indeed religious or cultural requirement was for a female doctor, then no matter Dr Upton thinks that because he says he's female then he qualifies, then he'd be wrong. It's the deception that is concerning.

I’m on the fence here. If I was bleeding profusely from anywhere I wouldn’t care who treated me so long as they were qualified.

I’d judge the doctor by their treatment and competency, I couldn’t care less if he/she was black, white, pink, gay, straight, male, female or trans.

If you’re on X, then you can read up on the daily Tribunal sessions from - Tribunal Tweets@tribunaltweets or for a précis of each session - boswelltoday@boswelltoday.
I can’t actually think of a word to describe this deluded man’s evidence, frankly the closest I get is insane.
Sandy Peggie, a nurse with 30 years of experience, was suspended because Dr “Beth” Upton felt “unsafe” when she spoke to him in the female changing room.
The Tribunal is yet to hear from NHS Fife management, they and Dr U are co-respondents.

I don't know enough about the case to comment.
I shared a bathroom with a transgender person on an away weekend with my church, last year and was crossing my legs waiting to use the loo first thing in the morning.

I knocked on the door to check there was still someone inside but after about 20 minutes he/she appeared, fully dressed and made up, presumably shaved.
I wasn't best pleased and said there were several of us waiting, which was true.

Wyllow3

I'm confused, isnt this about changing rooms and the nurses complaint?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j8dygdm19o#:~:text=Dr%20Upton%20denied%20this%2C%20saying,to%20know%20who%20I%20am.%22

Or was she asked about patients during the process?

He was asked if a woman came into A&E with heavy vaginal bleeding and asked for a female doctor would he attend. He replied yes, but if at any time the woman objected to him he would then leave, but compared it to someone not wanting a black doctor.

The 'confrontation' was when Ms Peggie went to the changing room because she'd suffered a menstrual flood and desperately needed to clean herself up and change her clothes. That was when she challenged him about his being in the women's changing room. A previous time was cited when she waited outside until he'd changed and left the changing room, apparently that was hurtful and disrespectful of her not to get undressed in front of him. Beth Upton is a transwoman who displays male entitlement with every fibre of themself.

It's also concerning that any doctor flatly refuses to accept that there are biological differences between male and female. Heart attack symptoms, for instance, can present very differently in a woman - and that's just one example. As I say, I've been following the tribunal closely online (look for @tribunaltweets on X if you want to) and the more I've read, the angrier I've become.

Wyllow3

I'm confused, isnt this about changing rooms and the nurses complaint?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j8dygdm19o#:~:text=Dr%20Upton%20denied%20this%2C%20saying,to%20know%20who%20I%20am.%22

Or was she asked about patients during the process?

I’ve been following this case on MN. The general feeling is to support the nurse.

I do object to calling this doctor an 'absolute nutter'. That is so disrespectful. It is not a term to be used to describe any other person .