Ukraine- the situation is VERY serious

Anyone who tries to have a serious discussion, on such a very serious and dangerous situation with this sentence

'I think we all need to take a chill pill.'

can't be taken seriously. Oh I am sure Ukrainians and Palestinians would be so happy if they could just 'take a chill pill'.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont sensitive or not it would be in the public domain.

I haven’t got FaceBook so any links via it I cannot access.

I posted a quote from a group, not FB, and a BBC link, not FB.

Just a few of the 'ideas' Trump has thrown out there -

Laid off 200, 000 public servants,
Withdrew from the Paris Climate Agreement
Cancelled US Aid,
Stopped prosecution of people accused of bribing government officials,
Left the WHO,
Pardoned criminals who stormed the Capitol

Churchview

Just a few of the 'ideas' Trump has thrown out there -

Laid off 200, 000 public servants,
Withdrew from the Paris Climate Agreement
Cancelled US Aid,
Stopped prosecution of people accused of bribing government officials,
Left the WHO,
Pardoned criminals who stormed the Capitol

and once he's sorted out Gaza and Ukraine he'll take on China!!

Doesn't bear thinking about does it?

Claremont Fri 14-Feb-25 21:04:26
Anyone who tries to have a serious discussion, on such a very serious and dangerous situation with this sentence

'I think we all need to take a chill pill.'

can't be taken seriously. Oh I am sure Ukrainians and Palestinians would be so happy if they could just 'take a chill pill'.

Another knee jerk reaction Claremont.

I am suggesting the posters take a chill pill, not the people in Gaza or Ukraine...

pascal30

Churchview

Just a few of the 'ideas' Trump has thrown out there -

Laid off 200, 000 public servants,
Withdrew from the Paris Climate Agreement
Cancelled US Aid,
Stopped prosecution of people accused of bribing government officials,
Left the WHO,
Pardoned criminals who stormed the Capitol

and once he's sorted out Gaza and Ukraine he'll take on China!!

Doesn't bear thinking about does it?

Don't worry, folks, an asteroid could hit the Earth in about eight years time.

Looks too much like another Munich. And that was an ultimate disaster as we know.

Trump promised us “shock and awe” we’ve certainly had the shock, nothing in the established order is safe.

He is proposing the unthinkable in Gaza, move the Palestinians, build a holiday resort and make billions. Ukraine should give up and accept what they’ve got left, Europe is dragging its heels on paying, why should we. If Europe really wants to push Russia back let them pay the cost of that, it’s not a big issue in the US.

Trump is so unpredictable he could even reverse his position on Ukraine. Honestly I don’t believe Europe will continue backing Ukraine without the US committed too, this argument in Munich is really about who pays and who gets the rewards. If Europe commits to paying more and providing the manpower, Zelensky gives him the mineral concessions he wants, Putin will get dumped.

Russia is outclassed by NATO if its full weight was activated, calling the nuclear bluff and providing full defence, Russia would crumble. Europe is in the front line and would have to accept the risk of some damage, much more cost and loss of life.

Its clear Trump is transactional - “what’s in it for the US”

It’s about time the USA became transactional from one point of view- it’s been paying out hugely for a long time. Why not stop and ask what is the point of funding foreign wars/deaths? The question is worth asking?

ronib

It’s about time the USA became transactional from one point of view- it’s been paying out hugely for a long time. Why not stop and ask what is the point of funding foreign wars/deaths? The question is worth asking?

The US got nothing out or Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya, Trump wants a payback, he certainly has the power end the wars if the price is right.

David49 Yes, I think what you say is a true reflection of DT and the regime now in the White House and what will/ could happen.

Trump is at least trying to do something about the war in Ukraine . Whether he can get the war stopped is a moot question but he is a lot better than his warmongering predecessor. It would just go on and on with the Democrats under Biden. However vile he might be as a person if he can stop this war and thereby save lives, good for him.

David49

Trump promised us “shock and awe” we’ve certainly had the shock, nothing in the established order is safe.

He is proposing the unthinkable in Gaza, move the Palestinians, build a holiday resort and make billions. Ukraine should give up and accept what they’ve got left, Europe is dragging its heels on paying, why should we. If Europe really wants to push Russia back let them pay the cost of that, it’s not a big issue in the US.

Trump is so unpredictable he could even reverse his position on Ukraine. Honestly I don’t believe Europe will continue backing Ukraine without the US committed too, this argument in Munich is really about who pays and who gets the rewards. If Europe commits to paying more and providing the manpower, Zelensky gives him the mineral concessions he wants, Putin will get dumped.

Russia is outclassed by NATO if its full weight was activated, calling the nuclear bluff and providing full defence, Russia would crumble. Europe is in the front line and would have to accept the risk of some damage, much more cost and loss of life.

Its clear Trump is transactional - “what’s in it for the US”

Starmer is off to have a meeting with Trump so we'll see what happens there. After this Vance debacle it's going to be very difficult to make agreements with both USA and Europe.. I sincerely hope he sides strongly with Nato..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgl27x74wpo

Zelensky spelling out what is becoming increasingly clear, that the US can no longer be considered an ally of Europe, the UK included. Any special relationship we might think we have is laughable, Trump will throw us under the bus the same as other nations. I really don’t know how feasible a European army is but certainly we cannot discount that both Russia and the US could pose a real threat to our national security.
I know some will accuse me of being over the top about this but western nations stood by and watched whilst fascism rose in Europe back in the 1930s. Do we want to sleep walk into another scenario like this.
Trump has only one opinion ‘might is right’ and Putin feels the same, so Europe needs to take a leaf out of their handbook and show ‘might’ or fall by the way.

Starmer's visit to/with Trump is not for a couple of weeks (just checked in the press, no date set) so I don't know if/how it will be related to Ukraine.

After saying 4 days ago "Ukraine may be Russian someday" Trump hasn't come up with a single "plan". His usual modus vivendi.

"“They (Ukraine) may make a deal, they may not make a deal. They may be Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday,” Trump said. He stressed that he also wanted to see a return on investment with US aid for Ukraine, again floating the idea of a trade for Kyiv’s rare earth minerals."

(threats, mouthing off, deal for the US)

and of course he repeated that Putin entered a war because of Ukraine's interest in NATO.

He's not made any proposals at all. Sends Vance to sl** of European Leaders. Threaten countries with takeovers and tariffs. Crazy unworkable ideas in Gaza. Leaves them to stew and guess.

Dorrain

Claremont Fri 14-Feb-25 21:04:26
Anyone who tries to have a serious discussion, on such a very serious and dangerous situation with this sentence

'I think we all need to take a chill pill.'

can't be taken seriously. Oh I am sure Ukrainians and Palestinians would be so happy if they could just 'take a chill pill'.

Another knee jerk reaction Claremont.

I am suggesting the posters take a chill pill, not the people in Gaza or Ukraine...

The thing is some of see the wider issues and bigger picture.

What Trump, Musk and Putin do and say has a huge impact of the rest of the world.

Telling anyone to “take a chill pill” is just patronising.

You may not be interested or concerned, many of us are.

Babs03

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgl27x74wpo

Zelensky spelling out what is becoming increasingly clear, that the US can no longer be considered an ally of Europe, the UK included. Any special relationship we might think we have is laughable, Trump will throw us under the bus the same as other nations. I really don’t know how feasible a European army is but certainly we cannot discount that both Russia and the US could pose a real threat to our national security.
I know some will accuse me of being over the top about this but western nations stood by and watched whilst fascism rose in Europe back in the 1930s. Do we want to sleep walk into another scenario like this.
Trump has only one opinion ‘might is right’ and Putin feels the same, so Europe needs to take a leaf out of their handbook and show ‘might’ or fall by the way.

I absolutely agree!

Zelensky spelling out what is becoming increasingly clear, that the US can no longer be considered an ally of Europe, the UK included. Any special relationship we might think we have is laughable, Trump will throw us under the bus the same as other nations.
This has to be acknowledged and addressed. It was once in America's interest to support Europe when Russia was their enemy but that is no longer the case now that Trump has made friends with Putin. It will be interesting to find out what Trump is getting in return for bringing Putin back into the fold and letting him off the hook for invading Ukraine. Help with acquiring Greenland perhaps.

Trump doesn’t need help over Greenland he could walk in there tomorrow, in fact he doesn’t need help for anything its others that need his help.

And it’s clear there will be a price!.

David49

Trump doesn’t need help over Greenland he could walk in there tomorrow, in fact he doesn’t need help for anything its others that need his help.

And it’s clear there will be a price!.

Greenland is an autonomous territory of Denmark.
Denmark is a member of the EU.
Greenland has special EU status and is a member of NATO.

Would Trump be that stupid?

Oh, on second thoughts 🤔

Cossy, you need to go beyond the initial comment and look at the crux of my comment. I am looking at the wider issues and bigger picture hence my first post -

'Europe has been sitting on its hands and lost control of many borders. Global politics has been disruptive and Europe has simply been tinkering around the edges'.

My chill pill comment was directed at Claremont, whose post is based on a knee jerk reaction to an unfolding situation which will take months to settle. To throw out a headline, with block letters, is simply premature and an overreaction.

And frankly you are the patronising poster, everyone on this forum has a right to their opinion. What I am saying is its way too early to be deciding which 'team' people need to be on, how very simplistic!

There is a much bigger picture and reducing a complex issue into 'sides' reflects more on the thread headliner than my comment. Lets all wait and see, instead of reacting like schoolkids in the playground choosing sides.

Things seem to be getting a bit serious now - due entirely to Trumps behaviour I think.

There is to be an emergency meeting of European leaders - Starmer is then going to travel to Washington to discuss the situation with Trump after which a further meeting in Europe will take place with Starmer reporting back to Zelenskyy etc.

I'd say telling someone who is seriously worried about the possible onset of WW3, to take a chill pill- is beyond schoolkids in playground nonsense, VERY insensitive in the current situation, truly.

Whitewavemark2

Things seem to be getting a bit serious now - due entirely to Trumps behaviour I think.

There is to be an emergency meeting of European leaders - Starmer is then going to travel to Washington to discuss the situation with Trump after which a further meeting in Europe will take place with Starmer reporting back to Zelenskyy etc.

I agree, things are spiralling, especially since Zelensky’s speech in Munich. I imagine Putin is ecstatic, a disoriented Europe trying to get its bearings, with Trump calling time on US funding/support whilst cosying up to Russia and undermining NATO, is like all his birthdays came at once.
Not good politics, and zero diplomacy, equivalent to sending a herd of bulls into a China shop.

Claremont

I'd say telling someone who is seriously worried about the possible onset of WW3, to take a chill pill- is beyond schoolkids in playground nonsense, VERY insensitive in the current situation, truly.

Seriously we are a very long way from that scenario.

Starmer would have been meeting Trump regardless.

Obviously meetings are first on the agenda when any new head of state settles in.

Trump is not a career politician so his style does not take on the usual diplomatic tone. He is a businessman, and this shows, however there are checks and balances which will keep him under control.

All I'm saying is lets wait and see what eventuates.

It is overreactions and panic which lead to unwanted consequences.