Ukraine- the situation is VERY serious

I was very surprised to hear Victoria Derbyshire‘a interview with Gorka. To my recollection, Gorka reiterated how important it was for the killing to stop as far too many soldiers had been killed. Gorka said the USA is still standing shoulder to shoulder with Ukraine to which Derbyshire asked what about someone who had been killed in South Ukraine. Gorka justifiably said that was an outrageous question.
Gorka also said that it was upto Ukraine and Russia to decide on a settlement and not the USA. Considering the huge amounts of money Biden had poured into this war, I don’t understand why Trump is not being credited for a true humanitarian response. I think it’s entirely right for Trump to stop paying for our security especially when the end result is 100000 dead soldiers.

Putin knew that all had to was to hold out until Trump got back in.

It is a win/win for them both.

Putin gets a whole swath of land and Trump gets the developers in to rebuild Ukraine.

Ukraine soldiers will feel that they fought for bugger all, and Europe will feel less secure.

The so called special relationship is now well and truly broken.Wouldnt trust Trump as far as I could throw him. Side with Europe and don’t make the mistake of Brexit all over again. We need to show Trump and his cronies that he doesn’t rule the world. He thrives on mass popularity. This will soon dwindle when American popularity dwindles.

Exactly what I think too NotSpaghetti. I think he may agree to USA aid to help Ukraine rebuild key sites though, as a form of ‘compensation’ for losing part of their country.

Casdon and David - in my opinion, Trump will only get involved in Gaza if there's money in it for him.

In his "plan", the Palestinians would be out, never to return. This is an illegal move - but he won't care.

I can’t see USA providing aid for the Gazans to rebuild David49. If the fighting stops now, Trump will protect Israel, but only get involved in Gaza directly if the people aren’t there.

More important to Trump is Gaza, one way or another it’s going to cost tens of billions to settle, either in aid to rebuild or in arms to Israel.

I would much rather it’s spent on rebuilding.

Trump will clearly leave Europe to Europe. He won’t be backing or funding anyone, anywhere there but will concentrate on Chinese takeovers in the Pacific. He made this pretty plain when he was running for President and they voted him in. America first and last and damn the rest of us. The UK is part of Europe and always will be. I’d say we have more chance of American support here in Australia because he wants to keep Pacific bases and counter the huge Chinese influence in this part of the world. Putin no doubt knows all this and will continue on his merry aggressive way.

NanKate

After everything Zelensky has done for his country he is now being thrown to the dogs by Trump. I could weep for him and his family. Whether they could take refuge in another country I don’t know. If he stays he will be assassinated in my opinion.

Will Putin ever get his comeuppance? I do hope so.

Yes it is incredibly disappointing, Zelensky is like a prizefighter with all the hopes of slewing the giant and at the end of the fight looses on points. To continue the fight will cause too much damage, nobody on GN would allow a fight to the death. You just wouldn’t!.

It was right for Hegseth to speak first, there was no point discussing any plans for continuing the war if the US was not going to back them.

It was Putins plan to take over the whole of Ukraine he didn’t expect any serious resistance, but the campaign was badly executed and he was pushed back, all credit to Ukraine, now Russia has consolidated and is much more easily capable of sustaining a long battle of attrition than Ukraine.

Without the US, Europe could give unconditional backing of the Ukraine war, if you want to win any war you commit 100%, that would involve direct attacks on the UK, is this really what you want and are prepared to pay for in lives and hardship that would cause.

imaround

What is sad Babs03 is that he isn't even the worst pick!

We have an anti-vaxxer who put a dead bear in Central Park as a joke in charge of our health.

An "alleged" Assaud agent at Intelligence

A super far right racist Christian Nationalist who do not believe women should be in the military in charge of the military.

Each one gets worse and worse. But then we get to Russel Voght. This man has ice running through his veins and is a lead architect and author of Project 2025. He is in charge of the purse strings and has already said he will illegally engage in impoundment, which is what is happening right now with the federal funds freeze. It is against the law. Nothing happens at any agency without his say so.

Pete Hegseth also has a very Chequered past.

Iam64

I’ve just watched Victoria Derbyshire interviewing Sebastian Gorky, Trump’s senior director for counter terrorism on Newsnight. What an arrogant bully the man is. Typical of what’s happening in the Trump White House. Normal communication, civil discussions no longer expected

It was shocking, he was vey rude and I don’t know how Victoria remained so polite and calm. Trump has surrounded himself with arrogant, belligerent men, Pete Hegseth was obnoxious at NATO saying he was going to speak first.

After everything Zelensky has done for his country he is now being thrown to the dogs by Trump. I could weep for him and his family. Whether they could take refuge in another country I don’t know. If he stays he will be assassinated in my opinion.

Will Putin ever get his comeuppance? I do hope so.

It’s left Nato and Ukraine side-lined, with the US unilaterally declaring that Ukraine will not become a member of the Alliance nor regain all its lost territories.

The European nations could refuse to accept that, their problem is that the US would just say OK without our backing, a very large part of NATO is US operated and it’s just not realistic to do that.

However unpalatable it is, accepting the loss of territory and stopping the killing is the best option.

Europe has relied on US backup for defence for far too long, a lot of the arms stockpiles we had have been used up in Ukraine, to replace those with modern weapons is going to be expensive, hopefully not 5% of spending but a lot more than we spend now.

31st January 2020 was when we officially left.

Hardly years and years ago. It’s less than a decade.

I think Devorgilla means stick with the rest of Europe, which makes more sense than saying the EU.
Brexit happened years and years ago and needs coming to terms with.It has no bearing on the situation between Ukraine and Russia.

Grantanow

Devorgilla

I'm also with those on here who say we must stick with the EU. When all is said and done they are the people our country has 'grown up' with. They are our siblings and we have loved them, hated them, gone to war with them, made peace with them, married into them etc. They are part of us and we of them.

So why did people vote for the Brexit disaster?

I really don’t know other than I think rhetoric (eg think, as one example, the bus saying we’d have £300 million per week available for the nhs), hoodwinked so many.

Not sure about that pasca130 as from what I’ve read both Putin and the Russian people will be glad it’s over, as long as they can claim some land they’ve already taken like Crimea and the Donbas region.Otherwise nobody wins and it just drags on embarrassing Russia. Their ‘special military operation’ was supposed to be over in a few weeks.

I wonder why Nato doesn't allow Ukraine to join which is what they have always wanted.. because it looks very like Europe is going to get drawn into the war.. especially as US troops are not going to be involved

Then there would be 30 member states against Russia.. I don't think for one minute that when Russia gains territory in the peace agreement that it will actually stop invading for more land.. and the European peacekeeper troops will not be allowed to fight.. whereas they could if Ukraine belonged to Nato.

I think Russia would allow a hiatus of possibly 6 months before resuming war.. And Trump will then be off concentrating on China and won't be interested..

If all the countries in Europe had given Ukraine more arms right at the start, when it became obvious ( tho surprising) that the Russian army were ill prepared and inept, then Ukraine could have won the war and put Putin back in his box.I include the US as well but since it’s Europe that’s affected then it should be all of Europe that provided as much as was needed.It was given but grudgingly and not fast enough and not enough at all.
So we are where we are.
Putin has to save face with his own people and so does Zelensky so a deal will have to be done.

A video of Trump's new New Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy performing a striptease and getting his nipple licked has appeared in the media here this week.

Babs03, you can't even imagine how bad his nominees are. His envoy to the Middle East is a truck salesman.

Not a single person he nominated is there on merit. Which is why his attack on equal opportunity and DEI is such a slap in the face.

Doesn't appear that Ukraine is interested.

www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-says-not-accept-us-143646310.html

That article worries me FTG. It makes me wonder if they will be bringing more soldiers home from European bases to patrol the border. Having an excess number of soldiers going through cities and states to round people up is a scary thought.

Especially since ICE is already in trouble for not rounding up enough people and US Citizens have already had their 4th Amendment rights violated by being held without a warrant.

imaround

What is sad Babs03 is that he isn't even the worst pick!

We have an anti-vaxxer who put a dead bear in Central Park as a joke in charge of our health.

An "alleged" Assaud agent at Intelligence

A super far right racist Christian Nationalist who do not believe women should be in the military in charge of the military.

Each one gets worse and worse. But then we get to Russel Voght. This man has ice running through his veins and is a lead architect and author of Project 2025. He is in charge of the purse strings and has already said he will illegally engage in impoundment, which is what is happening right now with the federal funds freeze. It is against the law. Nothing happens at any agency without his say so.

'Darren Beattie calls for sterilization of “low-IQ trash,” - Trump regime appointee'

This is a new thread right now.
You're right each one does get worse.
I have no words.

Claremont

More and more it looks like the likes of Musk, Trump and others, in cohoots with Putin - were very active, spending billions on targeting, multi media disinformation and lies, to weaken Europe- in Italy, in Hungary, in France, and of course in UK. They needed to weaken the EU, divide and rule, to get their way.

Yes. I've been trying to put this into words but you've made a better job of it than I ever could.

We all know who else is in with that little bunch - Farage.