“Half truths & many lies: Fact checking Kemi Badenoch”

MayBee70

They’ve reduced hospital waiting times. Increased massively the number of NHS dental appointments. Stopped the strikes. Are rebuilding our damaged relationship with Europe. Pity that things like that don’t make headline news.

These things haven't made the headlines for the following reasons

Labour has promised more dental appointments, but as far as I know is yet to deliver on them. So nothing to headline yet

And while in 2024 the overall backlog dropped from 7.48 million to 7.46 million, while the estimated number of patients waiting is down from 6.28 million to 6.24 million. Labour did not come into power until July, so cannot have had time to do anything significant to affect the figures. These will have been falling mainly as the result of measures the Conservatives introduced. www.england.nhs.uk/2025/02/waiting-list-falls-as-nhs-staff-treated-record-numbers-last-year/ Again it is a moot point over who made the biggest contribution to the drop in patient numbers, Conservatives or Labour

As for stopping the strikes, they did that by giving into all the strikers demands for more money, hardly something to be proud of. This did get the headlines, but not for the reasons Labour liked. It got the headlines because it was seen as caving in to unreasonable demands and as pay back to the Unions who finance the party.

What has the government done to rebuild our relationship with Europe?

I didn’t say she had. However, believing or being a MP in a party that believes something is wrong, but enjoying the benefit of it because it isn’t against the law seems rather hypocritical.

M0nica

MayBee70

They’ve reduced hospital waiting times. Increased massively the number of NHS dental appointments. Stopped the strikes. Are rebuilding our damaged relationship with Europe. Pity that things like that don’t make headline news.

These things haven't made the headlines for the following reasons

Labour has promised more dental appointments, but as far as I know is yet to deliver on them. So nothing to headline yet

And while in 2024 the overall backlog dropped from 7.48 million to 7.46 million, while the estimated number of patients waiting is down from 6.28 million to 6.24 million. Labour did not come into power until July, so cannot have had time to do anything significant to affect the figures. These will have been falling mainly as the result of measures the Conservatives introduced. www.england.nhs.uk/2025/02/waiting-list-falls-as-nhs-staff-treated-record-numbers-last-year/ Again it is a moot point over who made the biggest contribution to the drop in patient numbers, Conservatives or Labour

As for stopping the strikes, they did that by giving into all the strikers demands for more money, hardly something to be proud of. This did get the headlines, but not for the reasons Labour liked. It got the headlines because it was seen as caving in to unreasonable demands and as pay back to the Unions who finance the party.

What has the government done to rebuild our relationship with Europe?

‘What has the government done to rebuild our relationship with Europe?’
Well, they’ve stopped sneering at them making out they were some sort of enemy for a start. Seems to me that our relationship with Europe is better than it has been for a long time. They didn’t just ‘give in’ to the strikers…they stopped treating them as some sort of enemy, too. All those people clapping for the NHS one minute and then complaining that they wanted to be paid a decent wage.

Well, I certainly wasn't clapping for the NHS - and with good reason.

Rollout of the Free Breakfast club scheme starts at the beginning for the summer term, a pilot project with 180.000 initially.

I think settling the doctors strike broke a deadlock and the junior doctors definitely were right to get the settlement.

Rollout of the Free Breakfast club scheme starts at the beginning for the summer term, a pilot project with 180.000 initially.

Free for all children, regardless of whether their parents can well afford to pay.

They have been targeted in the most deprived areas, but Mollygo I cant imagine how you would start "means testing" breakfast clubs in practice - never mind the time it would take,

but the way it would divide children up?

The intentions are also not just about the food. Its about socialising well and a stable start to the day, all aims posters on GN have been calling for in terms of early years development.

More in terms of Labour Plans - new criminal law measures.
www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1345800-50-New-Crime-Fighting-Laws-unveiled

Mollygo

^Rollout of the Free Breakfast club scheme starts at the beginning for the summer term, a pilot project with 180.000 initially.^

Free for all children, regardless of whether their parents can well afford to pay.

Those dastardly scrounging wealthy parents! How dare they accept?

They'll need to rely on breakfast clubs after they've lost their ISA breaks, paid inheritance tax on their farms and all the other measures Labour is planning for them.

I always remember that Profumo's offense was not that he slept with a woman who also slept with Russian spy, but that he lied about it. NOwadays we take it as given that politicians are economical with the truth

Those dastardly scrounging wealthy parents! How dare they accept?
🤣🤣🤣

Like those dastardly scrounging wealthy OAPs. Glad you realise it.

Mollygo

^Those dastardly scrounging wealthy parents! How dare they accept?^
🤣🤣🤣

Like those dastardly scrounging wealthy OAPs. Glad you realise it.

Oh yes! The irony of it hadn't eluded me.

(Hasn't stopped the OAPs from whinging though.)

Wyllow3

Rollout of the Free Breakfast club scheme starts at the beginning for the summer term, a pilot project with 180.000 initially.

I think settling the doctors strike broke a deadlock and the junior doctors definitely were right to get the settlement.

But it wasn't just NHS staff it was railworkers and several other groups as well. caving in and giving in to blackmail is not somethingto be proud of.

growstuff

Mollygo
Those dastardly scrounging wealthy parents! How dare they accept?
🤣🤣🤣

Like those dastardly scrounging wealthy OAPs. Glad you realise it.

Oh yes! The irony of it hadn't eluded me.

(Hasn't stopped the OAPs from whinging though)
Hasn’t stopped the praise of making parents pay more for private schooling either.

Wealthy parents should pay more for education including meals, whilst getting free breakfasts and breakfast club places.
Of course, it makes perfect sense 🤣🤣🤣

Mollygo

^Rollout of the Free Breakfast club scheme starts at the beginning for the summer term, a pilot project with 180.000 initially.^

Free for all children, regardless of whether their parents can well afford to pay.

Is that all ages or just primary schools?

Primary so far, as far as I know. But if it’s a vote catcher, who’s to say it won’t be rolled out to cover the early teens-those children who are still too young to be left at home by themselves.

Thanks Mollygo

I think the point is that the breakfast clubs will also help to get children into school, especially from the poorest families. We know from years of research that regular attendance is one of the most important factors in educational attainment.

Equality in society comes from all children sitting down and eating together, with no dividison between those who pay and those who do not, those who need it and those who do not.

M0nica

Equality in society comes from all children sitting down and eating together, with no dividison between those who pay and those who do not, those who need it and those who do not.

Well that is what they will be doing if they chose to go to breakfast club.

Equality in heating comes from all pensioners sitting down with heating, with no division between those who need it and those who do not.

Mamie

I think the point is that the breakfast clubs will also help to get children into school, especially from the poorest families. We know from years of research that regular attendance is one of the most important factors in educational attainment.

Yes, its not at all just about the food - its about socialising well, settling, from an early an age as possible. Thread after thread on GN has talked about the importance of early years intervention.

The idea that we should critique the scheme because some families could afford breakfast is not the point. The chosen schools are in targeted areas where the difficulties are greatest, and practically speaking means testing is not possible.

Poverty comes in many forms for this age group, and the time spent preparing for the school day (and later for work) in an orderly routine way is never wasted.

The chosen schools are in targeted areas where the difficulties are greatest, and practically speaking means testing is not possible
That’s simply not true. Our school, in a “good” area, which has few “poor” children, has been selected as a trial school. Whereas several other schools in the area which would better fit the criteria, have not been selected.

Locally just checked 3 and meet the criteria. It would be interesting to know why not the best choice in your area. It doesnt alter my feelings they are a good move!