Who DO (Trump and Vance) think they are?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Whatever your view, it certainly works lighting a fire under the backsides of the euro political class. I have never seen them move so fast, not even during covid! Well done Trump.

Trump wasn’t there FYI .
He was home coming up with the rather scary tweet : He who saves his Country does not violate any Law . Between Vance , Musk and Trump it has turned into a real clown show .

Quote M0nica Sun 16-Feb-25 19:04:50
What does it matter who they think they are? It is what they are that matters
{{sigh}} It’s a turn of phrase - a * rhetorical question*
So why dismiss it so cavalierly?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Whatever your view, it certainly works lighting a fire under the backsides of the euro political class. I have never seen them move so fast, not even during covid! Well done Trump.

It certainly has. They’re having their own meeting tomorrow organised by Macron. They don’t like being left out. The meeting in Saudi Arabia is going ahead with representatives from the US and Russia. Various American secretaries of state have said Europe is not going to be left out but that they don’t like the sequence of events. That sounds about right. They are used to calling the shots and having meetings about meetings. Trump moves fast. He wants this sewn up.

It's appalling the way Trump and Vance are dictating to Europe over Ukraine. Zelensky has said there will be no deal unless he is there. I hope he stands up to Trump.
He needs to stop interfering in other countries' politics and sort out the country of which he is the president.
The USA has more than enough problems for him to get on with.

What does it matter who they think they are? It is what they are that matters.

Two bullies who think they can run roughshod over everyone. Like all bullies they should be stood up to because if they get their own way once they will expct to get it every time.

Faced with a strong united opposition they are impotent. Putin knows a useful idiot when he sees one.

Whatever your view, it certainly works lighting a fire under the backsides of the euro political class. I have never seen them move so fast, not even during covid! Well done Trump.

”My guess is Trump and his cronies will end up being authors of a new world order that leaves them out in the cold”

I agree Babs.

We in Europe need to stand together and look after ourselves now. Good riddance to Trump and his weirdos - they’ll lose out in the long run.

Trump should also be careful of Putin, he probably sees the president as a useful idiot who can further his own nefarious agenda in the region. Putin doesn't do 'best buds' with anyone.
My guess is Trump and his cronies will end up being authors of a new world order that leaves them out in the cold.

We now have 3 world main powers China, Russia and USA and if Trump isn't careful he will be beaten by China.. He doesn't seem to realise that he needs Europe..

Well, Trump and his cronies have threatened a new world order.

I think they're behaving very much as the European 'great powers' have done over the past 2 centuries. Carving up other people's lands and installing unasked for regimes.

We don't do it any more. But we've been telling the USA that it's the 'Leader of the Western World' for so long that Trump thinks that they not only lead it but they can order it to suit himself.

Zelensky looked furious when speaking in Munich the other day, I imagine he can only think of all the Ukrainians killed fighting for their homeland. And he was right to say that now Europeans need to form their own army, the US administration has shown clearly where their loyalties lie, with Moscow. And of course the fact that there is a very lucrative deal to be done with Putin over rich minerals in the part of Ukraine Russia will claim, has governed Trump's response. He feels he can apply the 'ride rough shod over everyone' tactic he adopted as a business man.
Such hubris is breathtaking to say the least.