Trump: All American or Closet Communist?

nanna8

What I would worry about long term is Trump making it so that his family inherits the job i .e. his son, by changing the rules! I know that sounds very far fetched but dictators do that sort of thing . Putin made sure he is the only President by changing rules so his mate might look at that and think he will do the same. It’s a funny world just now and not in humorous way.

I don't think it far fetched at all. But if as M0nica said earlier, other families educated their sons and daughters to enter into politics, couldn't he do the same, without changing the rules?

I actually think you are on to something tbh, Baron seems to be in training.
Don't forget though there is many a slip twix cup and lip

Yes Dickens I agree it was contemptible to mock (he did it quite accurately now you remind me) the disabled journalist. Not nice, shows a cutthroat side to his personality (as if anyone needed reminding).
The Megyn Kelly one I hadn't heard before, is extremely demeaning.
Did he get much blow back from it I wonder? Was it said as click bait?
I think she is a supporter of his now, so I presume she got over it and thinks what he intends to do as President is ok?

The other comment I also don't like but suppose someone in politics is or should be robust enough to take such silly attacks.

Babs03

I will use the word despise with regard to Trump because he is a fascist white supremacist who has surrounded himself with neo Nazis and crooks.
He personifies everything that I find repugnant.
Same goes for his sidekick Musk and his chainsaw antics.

The problem here is the only factual word you have used is white yes he is white.
The rest is unsupported or a lie.
If there is evidence then please say so.
You are one of many who find him repugnant.

M0nica

Trump isn't a politician he is a demented megalomaniac. He had no history of being involved in politics until he decided to run for President. His predecessors; Biden. Obama, the Bush family, Reagan, had all been involved in politics for decades before they ran for the Presidency.

Trump is a man who has surrounded himself with sycophants, (mainly) men who will agree with every word he says, whether they do or not because if they disgree they are out.

When I see Trump I am more and more reminded of the little tin pot tyrant in North Korea, Kim Jong Un, walking around surrounded by all those obedient and submissive lackeys, who do nothing but greet is every word with applause.

How soon will it be before Trump has an enoturage of little men applauding his every word.

Trump has no history of being involved in politics until he decided to run for President. Biden Obama the Bush family Reagan had all been involved in politics for decades ...

Don't you think this is precisely why the public voted for Trump?
Perhaps they felt this entitled class of politician was not delivering for them?
Perhaps the proletariat became fed up of paying taxes to those who referred to them as deplorables.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

That's the reason the votes fell the way they did.

So now, because a few made to measure elites felt they owed nothing to a portion of the voters, whose taxes enabled said politicians to do precisely the opposite of what that section of the voters wanted, (sorry a bit convoluted, hope you can keep up!) we have Trump.

Trump has surrounded himself with sycophants mainly men

Well, I had noticed the surfeit of young good looking women that seem to hold prominent positions. I did wonder if that was to appeal his audience?
But Tulsi Gabbard head of National Intelligence an ex Democrat, to name one seems eminently qualified.
If they are sycophants only time will tell.

Lets not get carried away with who is qualified to have power and who isn't.
After all, for all the fuss about Trump's Stormy Daniels, it was Clinton who disrespected the Oval office with Monica Lewinsky, Biden was obviously suffering badly with dementia, even though people refused to accept it and lied, and recently Obama's birth certificate has finally proven to be a forgery.

I hope I would not let an argument of authority blind me to having an opinion. I would rather my opinion changed, based on an accumulation of knowledge.

I have nothing to add to your last two paragraphs, how you feel is how you feel.

Namsnanny

Dickens

Namsnanny

M0nica

One of the papers this morning suggested that Trumps animosity towards Zelinsky is based on envy. Zelensky is seen to possess everything Trump does not have; courageous, inspiring, attractive and virile. Zelensky has majority support at home and is seen as a hero wherever freedom is cherished. Zelenskys charisma and decency rattles Trump (I quote)'

Elsewhere the article says 'Putin long ago recognised that Trump's most sensitive errogenous zone was his ego, and he has been stroking it assiduously ever since.'

My opinion (for what it counts, afterall I doubt anyone with power reads gn😄)
Ego is a necessary character trait of someone in power.

I'd rather see it in action than have it revealed (as it did when Gorden Brown called a woman a bigot thinking he was off air) from a covert position.

I absolutely despise most politicians because they lie and hide so much of their actual beliefs.

I think you are right - powerful people are generally egocentric.

Although I'm sure Gordon Brown had a certain sense of his own importance and self esteem, I don't think it was overpowering. I think the remark he made was more to do with the fact that he was basically unable to relate to ordinary people's lives and deal with the issues that mattered to them. He could have disagreed with her publicly but chose the weak option of calling her names behind her back.

But I wouldn't equate his contempt with the contempt Trump shows towards anyone who disagrees with him.

Brown was mortified he'd been caught out - Trump on the other hand when he's said things that have upset people - just digs deeper to upset them some more.

Trump on the other hand when he's said things that have upset people - just digs deeper to upset them some more

I would imagine there is much in what you say Dickens.
You used the word contempt, if you have any examples you could post, I would like to read them?

I have heard him use words like nasty or rude to people, and confusingly saying things like "He/she is a very nice man/woman, but they have done some very bad things" as if the audience is 3 years old .

I think the remark was made (by GB) because he basically was unable to relate to ordinary peoples lives, and deal with the issues that mattered to them

I think you've made my point better than I could, and highlighted why I used the word despise.

Why be a politician then?
He was in power to do just that, serve the people.
Not serve his own aspirations at the expense of those who voted him in.

I suppose it's a matter of interpretation perhaps? I choose the word contempt to use when Trump belittled the late John McCain's record as a war hero - because he was captured; "I like people who weren't captured" said Trump, scornfully. And calling him a "loser" for failing to win the White House in 2008.

Then there was the disabled NY journalist he mocked publicly - remember that? Also Megyn Kelly (Fox News) - Trump suggested she was tough on him because she was menstruating... "blood coming out of here wherever".

I'd say those remarks showed contempt for the people he aimed them at.

It's a choice of words - fine if you don't agree.

Why be a politician then?

Good question. Deserves a thread all of its own.

What I would worry about long term is Trump making it so that his family inherits the job i .e. his son, by changing the rules! I know that sounds very far fetched but dictators do that sort of thing . Putin made sure he is the only President by changing rules so his mate might look at that and think he will do the same. It’s a funny world just now and not in humorous way.

I will use the word despise with regard to Trump because he is a fascist white supremacist who has surrounded himself with neo Nazis and crooks.
He personifies everything that I find repugnant.
Same goes for his sidekick Musk and his chainsaw antics.

Dickens

Namsnanny

M0nica

One of the papers this morning suggested that Trumps animosity towards Zelinsky is based on envy. Zelensky is seen to possess everything Trump does not have; courageous, inspiring, attractive and virile. Zelensky has majority support at home and is seen as a hero wherever freedom is cherished. Zelenskys charisma and decency rattles Trump (I quote)'

Elsewhere the article says 'Putin long ago recognised that Trump's most sensitive errogenous zone was his ego, and he has been stroking it assiduously ever since.'

My opinion (for what it counts, afterall I doubt anyone with power reads gn😄)
Ego is a necessary character trait of someone in power.

I'd rather see it in action than have it revealed (as it did when Gorden Brown called a woman a bigot thinking he was off air) from a covert position.

I absolutely despise most politicians because they lie and hide so much of their actual beliefs.

I think you are right - powerful people are generally egocentric.

Although I'm sure Gordon Brown had a certain sense of his own importance and self esteem, I don't think it was overpowering. I think the remark he made was more to do with the fact that he was basically unable to relate to ordinary people's lives and deal with the issues that mattered to them. He could have disagreed with her publicly but chose the weak option of calling her names behind her back.

But I wouldn't equate his contempt with the contempt Trump shows towards anyone who disagrees with him.

Brown was mortified he'd been caught out - Trump on the other hand when he's said things that have upset people - just digs deeper to upset them some more.

Trump on the other hand when he's said things that have upset people - just digs deeper to upset them some more

I would imagine there is much in what you say Dickens.
You used the word contempt, if you have any examples you could post, I would like to read them?

I have heard him use words like nasty or rude to people, and confusingly saying things like "He/she is a very nice man/woman, but they have done some very bad things" as if the audience is 3 years old .

I think the remark was made (by GB) because he basically was unable to relate to ordinary peoples lives, and deal with the issues that mattered to them

I think you've made my point better than I could, and highlighted why I used the word despise.

Why be a politician then?
He was in power to do just that, serve the people.
Not serve his own aspirations at the expense of those who voted him in.

Namsnanny

The word to concentrate on Iam64 is most. I too know some very sincere and genuine politicians.
The rest play to the gallery (imo). With an eye on their pension, and those that I do know, agree with my statement, as it happens.

I’m less cynical and possibly more Polyanna but I believe most people aren’t just out for themselves and that goes for politicians

Trump isn't a politician he is a demented megalomaniac. He had no history of being involved in politics until he decided to run for President. His predecessors; Biden. Obama, the Bush family, Reagan, had all been involved in politics for decades before they ran for the Presidency.

Trump is a man who has surrounded himself with sycophants, (mainly) men who will agree with every word he says, whether they do or not because if they disgree they are out.

When I see Trump I am more and more reminded of the little tin pot tyrant in North Korea, Kim Jong Un, walking around surrounded by all those obedient and submissive lackeys, who do nothing but greet is every word with applause.

How soon will it be before Trump has an enoturage of little men applauding his every word.

The word to concentrate on Iam64 is most. I too know some very sincere and genuine politicians.
The rest play to the gallery (imo). With an eye on their pension, and those that I do know, agree with my statement, as it happens.

I don’t ’despise most politicians because they lie and hide so much of their actual beliefs’. The politicians I know are in no say as you describe Namsnanny

Namsnanny

M0nica

One of the papers this morning suggested that Trumps animosity towards Zelinsky is based on envy. Zelensky is seen to possess everything Trump does not have; courageous, inspiring, attractive and virile. Zelensky has majority support at home and is seen as a hero wherever freedom is cherished. Zelenskys charisma and decency rattles Trump (I quote)'

Elsewhere the article says 'Putin long ago recognised that Trump's most sensitive errogenous zone was his ego, and he has been stroking it assiduously ever since.'

My opinion (for what it counts, afterall I doubt anyone with power reads gn😄)
Ego is a necessary character trait of someone in power.

I'd rather see it in action than have it revealed (as it did when Gorden Brown called a woman a bigot thinking he was off air) from a covert position.

I absolutely despise most politicians because they lie and hide so much of their actual beliefs.

I think you are right - powerful people are generally egocentric.

Although I'm sure Gordon Brown had a certain sense of his own importance and self esteem, I don't think it was overpowering. I think the remark he made was more to do with the fact that he was basically unable to relate to ordinary people's lives and deal with the issues that mattered to them. He could have disagreed with her publicly but chose the weak option of calling her names behind her back.

But I wouldn't equate his contempt with the contempt Trump shows towards anyone who disagrees with him.

Brown was mortified he'd been caught out - Trump on the other hand when he's said things that have upset people - just digs deeper to upset them some more.

If anywhere will stand up to Trump it could be Illinois, when I was in Chicago when Trump was in power last time I went on a riverboat cruise, and all the Americans on board booed as we went past the Trump hotel. They often held anti Trump demonstrations there, according to the guy who was narrating the tour.

Great speech but I imagine Trump will shoot him down in flames for it.
Now is the time for all good people to stand up and speak, or am afraid not only the US will suffer but many other parts of the world will too 😢

A remarkable speech by a decent man.

How about Pritzker for President??

Allira

Elegran

A heartfelt speech by the governor of Illinois.
www.facebook.com/reel/975762767468354

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Well said that brave man. Let's hope others are brave enough too.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Elegran

A heartfelt speech by the governor of Illinois.
www.facebook.com/reel/975762767468354

👏👏👏

Well said that brave man. Let's hope others are brave enough too.

M0nica

One of the papers this morning suggested that Trumps animosity towards Zelinsky is based on envy. Zelensky is seen to possess everything Trump does not have; courageous, inspiring, attractive and virile. Zelensky has majority support at home and is seen as a hero wherever freedom is cherished. Zelenskys charisma and decency rattles Trump (I quote)'

Elsewhere the article says 'Putin long ago recognised that Trump's most sensitive errogenous zone was his ego, and he has been stroking it assiduously ever since.'

My opinion (for what it counts, afterall I doubt anyone with power reads gn😄)
Ego is a necessary character trait of someone in power.

I'd rather see it in action than have it revealed (as it did when Gorden Brown called a woman a bigot thinking he was off air) from a covert position.

I absolutely despise most politicians because they lie and hide so much of their actual beliefs.

Will Farage turn up to CPAC after this?
If he does, by God it's an indication of where he stands.

imaround

Oh did you see Steve Bannon's "salute" at CPAC Dickens?

That is a clear and obvious Nazi salute.

As for Musk wielding a chainsaw - well what we're seeing now is government by a tech brotherhood with incel level emotional intelligence.

What sort of person goes to watch stuff like this?
No thinking person could possibly defend this behaviour.

A heartfelt speech by the governor of Illinois.
www.facebook.com/reel/975762767468354

When all this first blew up I really thought that Trump was just waffling as usual and that he would never go ahead with peace talks without Zelensky. He seems to be completely in thrall to Putin, I still can't actually think that he believes whatever spin Putin must be placing on this.
Does he want Putin on his side rather than with China? Is he afraid of Putin? Is he using this as an eventual route to leave NATO? Above all will European backing for Ukraine fizzle away in order to avoid another war?

M0nica

There is nothing wrong with Trump that a diagnosis of mental frailty and a personality disorder would not explain.

Unfortunately at the moment the inmate is running the assylum.

Hear, hear!

And Farage's.