Trump: All American or Closet Communist?

IN every profession there are people who will do anything if paid enough.

M0nica

Namsnanny In an interview with CNN in March 2024Musk has talked openly about his use of ketamine to treat his depression. edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/tech/elon-musk-ketamine-use-don-lemon-interview/index.html

More detailis included in this fact checking article www.yahoo.com/news/know-musks-ketamine-120000781.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABNrUTz4E9dP-jxhq-R3oMLYd3lUpdBw_f9uUFE1ri9NO1nPtnRi5CIMUpiYlOanPqemVy26fhFhVR35Yk2D16AF9LEdQ9fmQZLj-LXOHCHXsjFOClneO6LJ97x-Dba9cJbBEhE6L500fh5Z3Llox-Icot3m_CkNrULF74poMAw]]y

Thank you for the links M0nica, not a lot to comment on, really.
Off the subject really, but how easy it seems to be for wealthy people (I'm thinking of Michael Jackson primarily) to hire Dr's who will prescribe anything for them?

ronib Yes I agree, I don't see KS taking on any of Trumps political ideas. Maybe the complete opposite.

I think it could be said that what exists in Russia is not communism but state capitalism.

I cannot stand Trump - but then I don't admire Putin or many other politicians at the moment either. At the end of the day, most of them change their political stances when it is convenient for them to do so. I think his comments and actions regarding Gaza are despicable and, of course, he is willing to throw any country under a bus if it proves convenient to do so.

Despite seeing Trump as a fairly unintelligent and unprincipled bully, on the matter of Ukraine, I think he is right that something must be done (even though I don't support his reasons for taking this stance - basically keeping in the good books of the powerful rather than supporting the powerless). Or do people believe that Europe and the USA should be sending arms in perpetuity to Ukraine, with no ideas as to how to resolve this deadly situation ? There has been next to no coverage of the fighting between these two countries and I think that is deliberate. If we saw the absolute horror of it all I think we would be saying "why are we funding this? Why aren't any efforts being made to try to negotiate a settlement?" There has only recently been a mention that over one million people have died in this war. One million families who have lost a loved one. This should not continue.

I have just had a look online and this emanates from a former KGB spy chief…

I think the world has gone completely mad Casdon

Look online ronib. The story is in many reputable publications. It’s also in the Telegraph, dated 13th February.

Claremont really? Do tell us more!

More and more information coming up about Russia grooming Trump for many decades, and his appointment as KGB spy under the name of Krakov in 1987.

And the cost to the US of throwing all those people simultaneously to the wolves while removing all safety nets will be horrendous financially, socially, medically, environmentally, to the detriment of industries and communities all over every state, and to the peaceful running of the whole of the nation.

Already no-one trusts their elected representatives, let alone unelected "advisors" who make executive decisions. As more and more are thrown on the scrapheap and government agencies are dismantled, more people will be convinced that direct action is worth risking prison or getting shot. There will be so many people whose live have been ruined that there will be unrest everywhere, leading to violent uprisings and potentially to civil war between the haves and the have-nots.

Making America great again? No way.

Copying the UK in the nineteenth century perhaps? In a lot of ways he is like an old fashioned despot and I am glad I don’t live in the US just now. What I wonder is what is going to happen to all those people who have lost their jobs. They will have no medical insurance and a lot will likely lose their houses. A frightening situation.

I've just listened to Trip Leading interview with Frans Timmermans, the Dutch politician who has held senior positions in the EU. Anyone who doubts the impact that Trump's actions is having on the world might like to listen to it. Due to geopolitics, Trump's "direction of travel" has a direct impact on us all in the West and IMO to pretend it doesn't either shows naive optimism or blind ignorance of how the world works. The reason Trump's actions are widely reported in most countries is testament to how extreme they are rather than being an extreme over-reaction to what he is doing and saying. Timmermans thinks we are in a very dangerous world situation and I am inclined to agree. This is the headlines in today's Washington Post:

"In first month, Trump upends century-old approach to the world
The president appears to be turning back the clock to a time in world history when countries with the biggest militaries constructed empires, demanded tribute from weaker nations and expanded their territories through coercion."

Monica why do we have no choice? We are polar opposite to the USA on climate change, woke ideology, gender, so how do you think change might happen? What hold does Trump have on the Labour government to effect social change here? Why would Trump even bother as his main ambitions lie for his own country?

ronib

There’s no way the Uk will follow if Trump/Musk wishes to lead. Have you seen our government recently? We’re completely opposed to much of Trump’s direction of travel.

The UK may not have a choice, whether we are opposed to Trump's direction of travel or not.

ronib

In your dreams Dickens …. Just no way. The West needs to wake up.

In your dreams Dickens

... eh?

There’s no way the Uk will follow if Trump/Musk wishes to lead. Have you seen our government recently? We’re completely opposed to much of Trump’s direction of travel.

ronib

In your dreams Dickens …. Just no way. The West needs to wake up.

What is in Dickens dreams?
The west is awake to Trump and Musk.
It sounds as though you admire Trump and don’t see the way he and Musk are attempting to undermine Europe.

If you are interested in learning more about Musk, Seth Abramsom has written a biography on him. Seth has very few nice things to say about Musk.

Another biographer, called him a sociopath.

It is well known that Musk uses ketamine. He has said so himself.

Namsnanny In an interview with CNN in March 2024Musk has talked openly about his use of ketamine to treat his depression. edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/tech/elon-musk-ketamine-use-don-lemon-interview/index.html

More detailis included in this fact checking article www.yahoo.com/news/know-musks-ketamine-120000781.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABNrUTz4E9dP-jxhq-R3oMLYd3lUpdBw_f9uUFE1ri9NO1nPtnRi5CIMUpiYlOanPqemVy26fhFhVR35Yk2D16AF9LEdQ9fmQZLj-LXOHCHXsjFOClneO6LJ97x-Dba9cJbBEhE6L500fh5Z3Llox-Icot3m_CkNrULF74poMAw]]y

ronib

Monica Trump was very clear that his ambition for America is to be self sufficient in manufacturing and production of goods. So Uk manufacturing needs to wake up to the new boy on the block.

ronib glad you agree with me UK manufacturing will need to respond to any tarriffs Trump imposes.

That is if we have any manufacturers left that are not foreign owned. If they cannot sell their products because of Trumps tarriffs they will just close factories down and move them somewhere they can.

We have Mrs Thatche to blame for selling our manufacturing industries down the river.

I had flipped the thread, so came into it in the middle of a discussion of why Trump developed such a large following of voters that he was elected. If you ask me, it was (and still is) bcause a lot of people in the US felt dissatisfied with their lot. The prevailing ethos in the States is one of competition, of winners and losers.

It shows most clearly in the preoccupation with money - the first thing a lot of successful US people do in a social setting is to let everyone know their financial status. At a wedding in my extended family, for instance, one friend of the bride was from the States, and spent the entire wedding meal telling everyone within hearing distance how much she earned and how much her home, car, and the clothes she was wearing had cost.

However it is also there in other areas of life. It is those who win, win, win who are lauded, Those who didn't win didn't try hard enough, are lazy, were being paid by someone to lose the game. If someone gets no promotion after years of hard work, it is because they don't deserve a better job. If someone is disabled, they are not valued because they are not economically active. If they are old and slow, they are getting in the way of the young and agile.

All this competition to win means that there are far more losers than winners, and they are sore losers. They were a pushover for someone who claimed that they were being institutionally victimised and cheated by the government.

The posts on Facebook by Trump supporters are mostly by people of low levels of education and achievement who resent the "winners" who have become rich and who they think have now got their comeuppance from the Trusk duo by being "found out" stealing from the state - and thus from the public. They have found their heroes and they taunt as "whining losers" those who don't see them as heroes and instead point out their flaws and warn of the need to be watchful.

In your dreams Dickens …. Just no way. The West needs to wake up.

ronib

Monica Trump was very clear that his ambition for America is to be self sufficient in manufacturing and production of goods. So Uk manufacturing needs to wake up to the new boy on the block.

So the Rust Belt will become the Shiny Steel Belt?

ronib

Iam64 Trump is not our president and he is not lecturing us in the UK.
America has chosen- America can keep him. We are not bound by his proclamations.

But Musk (who some joke is actually the one running things) has most definitely been lecturing us over here - he's decided it's important that we know who he thinks should be leader of Reform UK (Tommy Robinson, I think), and that the nation needs rescuing from the 'tyranny' of Starmer.

And, further... that has gone down very well with some sections of the community, too. Which I'm sure Musk - and Trump - knew it would... that is why they - or Musk - is interfering. They're not content to MAGA, they want to change the rest of the western world - it would make life much easier for them if we followed suit.

Yes I mean the Civil War namsnanny.

A state can not just leave the US. It doesn't work like that, even if it is written into the state's constitution.

Monica Trump was very clear that his ambition for America is to be self sufficient in manufacturing and production of goods. So Uk manufacturing needs to wake up to the new boy on the block.