Thinking Putin wants this hero out in order to put his choice in his place. The outrageous lies spouted by Trump are surely a signal that this is exactly the plan. Kalensky has held his country together. Trump is goading him in an attempt to promote an election which can’t happen as the war is ongoing but also to force one so the corrupt connivances of Putin can weaken Ukraine.
Under Biden as part of NATO it was "an unprovoked ack of aggression" by Russia with Ukraine "bravely resisting".
Cossy
LovesBach
A man who has the ear of the President of the US is making pronouncements about Zelensky, who has been praised as a hero by most of the world, calling him a dictator. How has the US reached a situation where a convicted criminal is running the show, and an unelected best friend is allowed an amazing amount of freedom? Musk's sole qualification appears to be that he is rich.
Frightening isn’t it!
Very. I have never felt such anxiety about what is to come.
LovesBach
A man who has the ear of the President of the US is making pronouncements about Zelensky, who has been praised as a hero by most of the world, calling him a dictator. How has the US reached a situation where a convicted criminal is running the show, and an unelected best friend is allowed an amazing amount of freedom? Musk's sole qualification appears to be that he is rich.
Frightening isn’t it!
Whitewavemark2
Appeasement is never a good look
Whilst I totally agree with you Whitewavemark2 I am not sure that Europe has the stomach for the alternative - NATO at war with Russia.
A man who has the ear of the President of the US is making pronouncements about Zelensky, who has been praised as a hero by most of the world, calling him a dictator. How has the US reached a situation where a convicted criminal is running the show, and an unelected best friend is allowed an amazing amount of freedom? Musk's sole qualification appears to be that he is rich.
I disagree David
The removal of Zelenskyy is not for a foreign aggressor to decide.
David 49, then perhaps another offer should be sought which does assure a free and independent Ukraine - which is what exists at the moment in areas not occupied by Russia.
Appeasement is never a good look
NotSpaghetti
That was the whole premise of the question thoug, surely*David*?
Exactly.
It is wrong though and engineered by Trump for his buddy Putin.
Sometimes you have to deal with the devil and accept whatever is on offer.
A free independant Ukraine isn’t on offer.
That was the whole premise of the question thoug, surely*David*?
Exactly.
It is wrong though and engineered by Trump for his buddy Putin.
Zelensky should be given a medal for the unrelenting way he has worked, with great integrity and statemanship for his country.. When I look at his tired, strained face I feel such admiration for him..
I find the stupid, lies from Trump demeaning him as an unelected comedian absolutely disgusting...
NotSpaghetti
David - Zelenskyy may well be replaced in due course but the question asked was is Trump ousting him out to make way for a Putin choice? - and I think yes he is. I didn't say I expected Zelenskyy to necessarily continue as leader.
I would expect him to be "in power" during any negotiations and until Ukraine is stable enough for elections.
There will be a regime that Russia trusts, or there will be no deal
David - Zelenskyy may well be replaced in due course but the question asked was is Trump ousting him out to make way for a Putin choice? - and I think yes he is. I didn't say I expected Zelenskyy to necessarily continue as leader.
I would expect him to be "in power" during any negotiations and until Ukraine is stable enough for elections.
NotSpaghetti
^Zalensky - is Trump ousting him out to make way for a Putin choice?^
I think so, yes...
And spreading lies.
Even if he won the war there is no guarantee, even Churchill was replaced, expecting Zelensky to remain is totally unrealistic.
There's been a terrific political cartoon doing the rounds of Putin out walking his dog on a leash........a massive orange poodle with Donald Trump's face.
Says it all.
Zalensky - is Trump ousting him out to make way for a Putin choice?
I think so, yes...
And spreading lies.
I’ve been looking at the way that the US justified supplying other countries during WW2, the 2 main ones were UK and Russia, to UK 31 billion dollars (680 bn in todays values)
We finally finished paying off the loan in 2006.
OldFrill
Blindingly obvious
As you say - stating the xxxxxxxx obvious.
I’ve been looking at the way that the US justified supplying other countries during WW2, the 2 main ones were UK and Russia, to UK 31 billion dollars (680 bn in todays values)
As we know at first they were very reluctant, voters were not in favour of getting involved, after Pearl Harbour, that changed, Japan and Germany together were a major threat to the US and it was very much in their interest to win the war. Enabling peace to be restored, proved very much in US interests and they did get their payback and then some.
Ukraine is not important to them and are very cautious about getting involved directly in a war with Russia. The US has always sought payback, in many cases has failed - Vietnam, Iraq etc. Being unemotional they don’t think Ukraines freedom is worth fighting for, so wants to do a deal with whoever runs Ukraine after the war ends. (it won’t be Zelensky).
What happens next?. Will Europe try to supply Ukraine without US resupplying them, breaking away from the US is a big deal.
Putin is such an experienced and wily operator. He's been playing the volatile Trump, putting his own words into Trump's mouth for the west to hear.
I hope Trump's own people will speak truth unto power, for he won't listen to others.
David49
“But they belong to Ukraine and their people, why should Trump or Putin have ANY of it for free?”
Because the arms supplied to Ukraine cost $hundreds of billions, the US wants some benefit for supporting them.
"...most Ukraine aid bills fund America’s local industries.
The vast majority of U.S. Ukraine-related funding does not go directly to Ukraine; it stays in the U.S. economy, subsidizing the production of weapons in at least 31 states and 71 cities."
www.lawfaremedia.org/article/how-america-s-aid-to-ukraine-actually-works
vintage1950
Where is the UN in all this? Where is Congress?
David49
“But they belong to Ukraine and their people, why should Trump or Putin have ANY of it for free?”
Because the arms supplied to Ukraine cost $hundreds of billions, the US wants some benefit for supporting them.
Do they? Well tough!
Where is the UN in all this? Where is Congress?
Putin to Trump - l don't want Ukraine in NATO and l want Zelensky gone
Trump to Putin - let me take the minerals, I'll keep Ukraine out of NATO and I'll make sure there's an election that Zelensky can't win.
Deal done
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