Thinking Putin wants this hero out in order to put his choice in his place. The outrageous lies spouted by Trump are surely a signal that this is exactly the plan. Kalensky has held his country together. Trump is goading him in an attempt to promote an election which can’t happen as the war is ongoing but also to force one so the corrupt connivances of Putin can weaken Ukraine.
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Zelensky - is Trump ousting him out to make way for a Putin choice?
(189 Posts)Blindingly obvious
Poor man. He has worked so hard for Ukraine and now this from the so called leader of the Free World. Disinformation it is not. Evil personified is more like it.
I remember it being said that Zelensky only just escaped being captured by the Russians when they invaded. So tough for him and Ukrainians and scary for the rest of us.
I doubt if Trump has thought that far ahead, but Putin certainly has.
I think this is Putin’s plan, greedy Trump just wants 50% of the minerals etc from the land.
Just like he wants ALL of Gaza.
B****r the citizens of these countries.
Trump, Musk, Putin and Netanyahu
don’t care about their people, they care about power, money and themselves.
Frankly, they are no better than the terrorists they decry.
Yes this is a plot to replace Zelensky with a more pro Russian choice, someone Putin can manipulate easily. In time is my guess that an expansionist Putin will have the whole of Ukraine within his borders.
And who knows where else he might look after this.
Trump is just a useful idiot.
Is a similar story with Bibi, his expansionist tendencies have been given the green light by Trump, so Gaza and the West Bank will soon be his, and Jordan should be very scared.
Nope I don't think that was the plan. Putin invaded in 2014 and got no push back keeping the territory he'd gained. He decided to try his luck again and I doubt anyone thought that Zelensky would become the inspirational leader that he is. So what Putin thought would be a pushover has turned into a real slog.
Trump is trying to get his hands on Ukraine's rare minerals. If he did cut a deal ( which I doubt) and managed to end the war, I wonder how happy he'd be to let Putin invade again or have a Putin puppet as president. There's still billions of dollars worth of resources in unoccupied Ukraine that would fuel US tech industries etc for many years.
foxie48
Nope I don't think that was the plan. Putin invaded in 2014 and got no push back keeping the territory he'd gained. He decided to try his luck again and I doubt anyone thought that Zelensky would become the inspirational leader that he is. So what Putin thought would be a pushover has turned into a real slog.
Trump is trying to get his hands on Ukraine's rare minerals. If he did cut a deal ( which I doubt) and managed to end the war, I wonder how happy he'd be to let Putin invade again or have a Putin puppet as president. There's still billions of dollars worth of resources in unoccupied Ukraine that would fuel US tech industries etc for many years.
But they belong to Ukraine and their people, why should Trump or Putin have ANY of it for free?
Cossy
foxie48
Nope I don't think that was the plan. Putin invaded in 2014 and got no push back keeping the territory he'd gained. He decided to try his luck again and I doubt anyone thought that Zelensky would become the inspirational leader that he is. So what Putin thought would be a pushover has turned into a real slog.
Trump is trying to get his hands on Ukraine's rare minerals. If he did cut a deal ( which I doubt) and managed to end the war, I wonder how happy he'd be to let Putin invade again or have a Putin puppet as president. There's still billions of dollars worth of resources in unoccupied Ukraine that would fuel US tech industries etc for many years.But they belong to Ukraine and their people, why should Trump or Putin have ANY of it for free?
Who can stop them?
“But they belong to Ukraine and their people, why should Trump or Putin have ANY of it for free?”
Because the arms supplied to Ukraine cost $hundreds of billions, the US wants some benefit for supporting them.
I don't think they should, it a disgrace that Trump is even trying to make that deal and Putin should get out of Ukraine but Trump is weakening Zelensky's position.
If I were Zelensky I would now see Trump as the enemy, obviously the US are no longer part of the solution, and when Trump threatened Zelensky with the remark 'that there wouldn't be much of his land left', it sounded remarkably like sabre rattling. You don't do that to an ally, and I am sure Zelensky realises this.
Babs03
Yes this is a plot to replace Zelensky with a more pro Russian choice, someone Putin can manipulate easily. In time is my guess that an expansionist Putin will have the whole of Ukraine within his borders.
And who knows where else he might look after this.
Trump is just a useful idiot.
Is a similar story with Bibi, his expansionist tendencies have been given the green light by Trump, so Gaza and the West Bank will soon be his, and Jordan should be very scared.
absolutely.. Putin wants Ukraine to be Russian, no longer a sovereign country and Trump wants the mineral resources.. I see a big falling out in the not too distant future.. I sincerely hope that Nato allows Ukraine to join..
Putin to Trump - l don't want Ukraine in NATO and l want Zelensky gone
Trump to Putin - let me take the minerals, I'll keep Ukraine out of NATO and I'll make sure there's an election that Zelensky can't win.
Deal done
Where is the UN in all this? Where is Congress?
David49
“But they belong to Ukraine and their people, why should Trump or Putin have ANY of it for free?”
Because the arms supplied to Ukraine cost $hundreds of billions, the US wants some benefit for supporting them.
Do they? Well tough!
vintage1950
Where is the UN in all this? Where is Congress?
David49
“But they belong to Ukraine and their people, why should Trump or Putin have ANY of it for free?”
Because the arms supplied to Ukraine cost $hundreds of billions, the US wants some benefit for supporting them.
"...most Ukraine aid bills fund America’s local industries.
The vast majority of U.S. Ukraine-related funding does not go directly to Ukraine; it stays in the U.S. economy, subsidizing the production of weapons in at least 31 states and 71 cities."
www.lawfaremedia.org/article/how-america-s-aid-to-ukraine-actually-works
Putin is such an experienced and wily operator. He's been playing the volatile Trump, putting his own words into Trump's mouth for the west to hear.
I hope Trump's own people will speak truth unto power, for he won't listen to others.
I’ve been looking at the way that the US justified supplying other countries during WW2, the 2 main ones were UK and Russia, to UK 31 billion dollars (680 bn in todays values)
As we know at first they were very reluctant, voters were not in favour of getting involved, after Pearl Harbour, that changed, Japan and Germany together were a major threat to the US and it was very much in their interest to win the war. Enabling peace to be restored, proved very much in US interests and they did get their payback and then some.
Ukraine is not important to them and are very cautious about getting involved directly in a war with Russia. The US has always sought payback, in many cases has failed - Vietnam, Iraq etc. Being unemotional they don’t think Ukraines freedom is worth fighting for, so wants to do a deal with whoever runs Ukraine after the war ends. (it won’t be Zelensky).
What happens next?. Will Europe try to supply Ukraine without US resupplying them, breaking away from the US is a big deal.
OldFrill
Blindingly obvious
As you say - stating the xxxxxxxx obvious.
I’ve been looking at the way that the US justified supplying other countries during WW2, the 2 main ones were UK and Russia, to UK 31 billion dollars (680 bn in todays values)
We finally finished paying off the loan in 2006.
Zalensky - is Trump ousting him out to make way for a Putin choice?
I think so, yes...
And spreading lies.
There's been a terrific political cartoon doing the rounds of Putin out walking his dog on a leash........a massive orange poodle with Donald Trump's face.
Says it all.
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