Is Yvette Cooper right?

What makes people feel so important that they think the government will be reading all their encrypted messages. What is in their messages that needs such a high level of encryption?

All the government wants is the ability to access encrypted messages where they have reason to believe that crimes are being committed and the safety of the state is at risk.

Are people on here really saying that they do not want paedophile rings investigate , drug dealers caught, criminal gangs bringing illegal immigrants into this country in small boats stopped, and terrorists foiled because if their encrypted messages were read their grandchildren might discover in advance what it is they are going to get for Christmas?

Police and security services already investigate communication traffic, and can phone tap if necessary. Why do GCHQ have all those many facilities in Cheltenham.

It is just that Apple has got an even higher level of encryption than anyone else that our security services cannot access.

You can bet your bottom dollar that Trump and his minions will make sure they get access to everything it attemts to hide.

Not the same thing but along similar lines, UK police have been unable to see what Axel Rudakubana was searching online before the Southport attack as they are locked in a lengthy US legal process to obtain the data from Google and Microsoft. The detective in charge of the case said it could take years.

Galaxy

The issue is much more complicated than that though isnt it. Just because a particular group supports something doesnt mean it is necessarily the right course of action.

Exactly

The issue is much more complicated than that though isnt it. Just because a particular group supports something doesnt mean it is necessarily the right course of action.

Your obsession with the Labour govt is getting out of control FGT2. If you had kept up with news from sources other than GB News, you would know that one major group who have been calling for this is parents of teenage suicide victims who want the Police to be able to access the material on their dead children's phones, the vile material which they fear drove their children to kill themselves. Up until now, the tech companies have refused. Is this OK with you? It certainly is with me

growstuff

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Hey perhaps Apple should reveal all phone conversations between politicians and civil servants as a first step, then see how keen they are on the idea!

What's the logic in that? Do conversations between politicians endanger the lives of the public? You don't seem to have much idea how sordid the lives of those who make money out of people and drug trafficking and child porn are.

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I’m an Apple user and have always felt a bit safer from hackers as a result (plus their genius on line support is superb)

I’m also someone who saw the way the video, then internet age facilitated horrific sexual abuse and exploitation of babies and children

It’s my understanding this government is aware of the extent of csa and wants to stop it. I trust Yvette Cooper shed loads more than Mr Musk who wants a free for all, no fact checking

Oreo

There’s a pile on, as usual by a few posters to whatever comments the poster FriedGreenTomatoes cares to make.In this case she makes a valid point about government wanting more and more access to us all.It needs thinking about carefully in my view.

My criticism was of the spiteful way she referred to Yvette Cooper.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Himself has an Apple smartphone. He just said “ Great move by Apple to publicly shame the half-wit politicians - Apple are a bit sharper than them”.

A proportion of UK politicians are not as smart as they think they are.

This is demonstrated by the media on a regular basis, at the moment it seems to be their inability to write an accurate CV

What is it that you would want to send that doesn't automatically have end-to-end encryption under Apple's default standard date protectio, even if the default for a particular data category is in-transit encryption? How do you know that your recipient has activated ADP?

There’s a pile on, as usual by a few posters to whatever comments the poster FriedGreenTomatoes cares to make.In this case she makes a valid point about government wanting more and more access to us all.It needs thinking about carefully in my view.

I listened to Apple’s side on the news earlier.

I shall précis giving the UK Government a key/back door to encrypted data, opens the door to hackers

If our or any government needs access to data, then it should be a one off, not open ended.

Yes, that's fine by me, I think we've both made our points.

Wyllow3

FGT, you did start it off with the "half wit", which you know very well is deliberately goady.

As is calling violent language "hurty words".

And just now"I thought better of you"

If you show respect you'll get it back.

Wyllow I’ve already apologised for the words I’ve used here on this thread.
I think I said ‘hurty words’ once - on another thread about a month ago - and never since so please let it drop now?

Yes, she's right.

growstuff

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well I think it’s worrying.

Labour has cancelled elections and arrested people for their opinions; now they have the power to access everyone's iPhone. The damage they are doing to everything we hold dear is incalculable; sacred values like free speech, property rights, and democracy!

Blah blah blah. No, the government does not have the power to access everyone's iPhone. It's a shame it doesn't have more access tgo the dark web because law enforcers would find it easier to catch child porn, drug and people traffickers.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34713435

10 yrs ago MI5 gained to power to intercept media messages if it was justified, maybe not all encrypted messages at that time.
GCHQ do monitor most communications in the UK, I doubt the scurrilous threads in GN are much of a threat to national security. They do monitor activity on the “dark web” those accessing banned material are highly likely to get caught

FGT, you did start it off with the "half wit", which you know very well is deliberately goady.

As is calling violent language "hurty words".

And just now"I thought better of you"

If you show respect you'll get it back.

growstuff

Incidentally, people have been arrested for breaking the law, not just having opinions which you're obviously in agreement with. Maybe you think it's OK to attack the police or go round smashing up mosques and synagogues or incite people to take such actions, but most civilised people don't.

Oh growstuff please stop being goady. Slinging your nasty comments.
I thought better of you.

Please can we just discuss our opinions respectfully on the topic at hand? It’s not hard.

If it does what it’s been claimed that it will do then it’s a good idea. My only concern is that if that backdoor can be misused by tech wizards, it’s another opportunity to make the internet unsafe.

The majority of people have nothing to hide, the Government has force Apple to take away a security tool for protection of our personal data.
Very concerning, what next.

Silverbrooks

Have you enabled ADP? Just curious to know whether you understand what you are talking about.

No. I don’t have a smartphone.
But I’m sure others in the UK have. Yes I’ve read about ADP.
(Advanced Data Protection).

It will be interesting tomorrow to see what the various newspapers make of all this.

Okay. I get what you are saying Dickens. I apologise for using silly descriptions of the politicians. And of course it surely goes without saying that we all want to stop vile behaviours. I just don’t agree that YC. Is tackling this in the right way. And nor do Apple which is worrying.

"*arrested people for their opinions*"

""It’s absolutely ridiculous. Don’t protect the mosque. Blow the mosque up with the adults in it."

quite right, to arrest someone for this.

however....

FGT, it would have come out even with high levels of private encryption, since it was reported to the police by a member of that WhatSapp group.

Are you also aware that groups like groomers or child abuse rings can use encryption?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well I think it’s worrying.

Labour has cancelled elections and arrested people for their opinions; now they have the power to access everyone's iPhone. The damage they are doing to everything we hold dear is incalculable; sacred values like free speech, property rights, and democracy!

If they arrested everyone for their opinions, there'd be virtually no-one walking around outside of a prison.

There's a huge difference between expressing one and inciting others - and in some cases, quite openly - to commit acts of violence if they feel the same. And you know that!

We are not talking about 'hurty words'.

Also, there's nothing half-witted about wanting to curb the promotion of child sex-abuse, nor the information that would-be terrorists need to either make a bomb or plan an attack. Though I'm not sure I agree with her suggested method, she is worrying about the right things and looking at ways to combat these evils, as other ways don't appear to be working.

I’m a bit of a technophobe. Could somebody explain in simple language what this means. Can anybody access my family photos or messages?