Is Yvette Cooper right?

I don't agree. We are all entitled to our privacy. If the Home Office is concerned about terrorists on-line, they need to deal with it in a different way.
They certainly don't seem concerned about the security risk of those coming across the channel!

Yes, I think she is. These encrypted messages are used to share the most vile images of children which cannot be accessed by the police together with all sorts of other criminal activities. If it inconveniences honest decent people I think that's a price worth paying. Of course, these vile people will find other routes but it's still worth blocking them if we can.

I'm not sure what I think. I don't know what's involved, really. Generally, I am in favour of privacy, but not at the expense of abused children.

I am an Apple user, so will seek out the story.

Yeah I am another one not sure on this. I would need more info. The labour party currently has an authoritarian bent that makes me uneasy and an obsession that controlling social media will solve society's ills.

Generally in favour, would like to know more. Yes for catching terrorists, other serious criminal activity and protection for young people.

I suspect intervening and catching people smugglers very much on the list too.

Himself has an Apple smartphone. He just said “ Great move by Apple to publicly shame the half-wit politicians - Apple are a bit sharper than them”.

Hey perhaps Apple should reveal all phone conversations between politicians and civil servants as a first step, then see how keen they are on the idea!

As ever, the O/P has only given us a partial story

"The tech giant added that

14 types of data that can be stored on its iCloud service will still be end-to-end encrypted, including health data, and communication tools such as iMessage and FaceTime remain encrypted globally, including in the UK

More details

uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-pulls-data-protection-tool-155330286.html

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Hey perhaps Apple should reveal all phone conversations between politicians and civil servants as a first step, then see how keen they are on the idea!

What's the logic in that? Do conversations between politicians endanger the lives of the public? You don't seem to have much idea how sordid the lives of those who make money out of people and drug trafficking and child porn are.

Wyllow3

I suspect intervening and catching people smugglers very much on the list too.

I thought that’s what the OP wanted? But not if it’s a Labour government that achieves it.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Himself has an Apple smartphone. He just said “ Great move by Apple to publicly shame the half-wit politicians - Apple are a bit sharper than them”.

I think referring to her as a half wit politician is disgusting.

MayBee70

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Himself has an Apple smartphone. He just said “ Great move by Apple to publicly shame the half-wit politicians - Apple are a bit sharper than them”.

I think referring to her as a half wit politician is disgusting.

I agree. Says more about the cognitive capability of the users of such terms. They're probably only capable of understanding half the story.

“Miaow”. 🐈‍⬛

This is the kind of issue where a co-ordinated international approach is needed. Either this level of government access is needed for security purposes or it isn't. For the UK government to uniquely claim they have a need for it just makes them look silly.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

This is the kind of issue where a co-ordinated international approach is needed. Either this level of government access is needed for security purposes or it isn't. For the UK government to uniquely claim they have a need for it just makes them look silly.

There is a co-ordinated international approach. The appropriate services just don't make a big song and dance about - for obvious reasons; none of the people working in the field want to be pushed off a balcony, drink poisoned tea or be met by a bullet in the brain.

But only the UK being treated differently by Apple - because of YC’s stance?

Well I think it’s worrying.

Labour has cancelled elections and arrested people for their opinions; now they have the power to access everyone's iPhone. The damage they are doing to everything we hold dear is incalculable; sacred values like free speech, property rights, and democracy!

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well I think it’s worrying.

Labour has cancelled elections and arrested people for their opinions; now they have the power to access everyone's iPhone. The damage they are doing to everything we hold dear is incalculable; sacred values like free speech, property rights, and democracy!

Blah blah blah. No, the government does not have the power to access everyone's iPhone. It's a shame it doesn't have more access tgo the dark web because law enforcers would find it easier to catch child porn, drug and people traffickers.

Have you enabled ADP? Just curious to know whether you understand what you are talking about.

Incidentally, people have been arrested for breaking the law, not just having opinions which you're obviously in agreement with. Maybe you think it's OK to attack the police or go round smashing up mosques and synagogues or incite people to take such actions, but most civilised people don't.

I’m a bit of a technophobe. Could somebody explain in simple language what this means. Can anybody access my family photos or messages?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well I think it’s worrying.

Labour has cancelled elections and arrested people for their opinions; now they have the power to access everyone's iPhone. The damage they are doing to everything we hold dear is incalculable; sacred values like free speech, property rights, and democracy!

If they arrested everyone for their opinions, there'd be virtually no-one walking around outside of a prison.

There's a huge difference between expressing one and inciting others - and in some cases, quite openly - to commit acts of violence if they feel the same. And you know that!

We are not talking about 'hurty words'.

Also, there's nothing half-witted about wanting to curb the promotion of child sex-abuse, nor the information that would-be terrorists need to either make a bomb or plan an attack. Though I'm not sure I agree with her suggested method, she is worrying about the right things and looking at ways to combat these evils, as other ways don't appear to be working.

"*arrested people for their opinions*"

""It’s absolutely ridiculous. Don’t protect the mosque. Blow the mosque up with the adults in it."

quite right, to arrest someone for this.

however....

FGT, it would have come out even with high levels of private encryption, since it was reported to the police by a member of that WhatSapp group.

Are you also aware that groups like groomers or child abuse rings can use encryption?