Yippee! Starmer embraces BREXIT freedoms! ✔️

I still don't understand how the OP went from the Telegraph's "Labour is considering . . ." and "The Prime Minister has been urged to . . ." to creating the title of this thread, "Yippee! Starmer embraces BREXIT freedoms!"

Not even "Starmer might embrace . . ." which could even become true, if the "freedoms" were worth embracing, but straight in there with a fait accompli. Wishful thinking?

Maremia

So, while we are on the subject of BREXIT, and since you are a Reform voter, I guess you will have an opinion on the Reform MP Nathan Gill in court today accused of taking Russian bribes, as an MEP in the European Parliament, to promote the Russian viewpoint during the Leave campaign. Taking Russian bribes, does that not make him a Traitor? At the very least it impacts the morality of the Leave campaign.

So many links with Russia aren’t there .

Menopauselbitch

Surely it’s up to the buyer to make sure they spend on quality.

Don’t you need regulations to understand if something is of the quality you assume it to be?

glasshalffullagain

It's beyond tedious. We aren't fools, we can read a paper and browse a website.

We don't need to be fed a steady diet of extreme right wing views day in day out.

I can only assume there is some sort of pay off for this activity. Some sort of popularity contest or something perhaps? Preaching to an already converted audience, head girl.

👏👏well said

It's beyond tedious. We aren't fools, we can read a paper and browse a website.

We don't need to be fed a steady diet of extreme right wing views day in day out.

I can only assume there is some sort of pay off for this activity. Some sort of popularity contest or something perhaps? Preaching to an already converted audience, head girl.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Just now, in The Telegraph:

“Labour is considering scrapping legacy EU laws which are empowering big companies to “overcharge” shoppers and the NHS.

The Prime Minister has been urged to take advantage of Brexit freedoms to revoke the rules that impose an “artificial tax” on consumers.

Britain still follows EU trademark rules which prevent retailers and public services from shopping around the world for the cheapest goods.

The regulations give global brands total control over their supply chains meaning they can insist UK firms only buy from wholesalers in Europe.

An official impact assessment has found that as a result shoppers are paying inflated prices for goods like electronics, cosmetics, books and clothing.

Studies have suggested the restrictions are adding around 10 per cent to the price of branded products and costing the NHS hundreds of millions a year.“

This delights me!

So tired of these half baked headlines which are used in these sort of posts. Much like the “1 in 12 people who are “immigrants ” in London which was factually incorrect. (Seem to remember a post on this with the gleeful comment of “let that sink in” or something similar. DM/Telegraph had to print an apology.
I can only assume quoting these excerpts from GB News,Daily Telegraph/Daily Mail gives the poster(s) a thrill of excitement when they generate a lot of responses🤦‍♀️

So, while we are on the subject of BREXIT, and since you are a Reform voter, I guess you will have an opinion on the Reform MP Nathan Gill in court today accused of taking Russian bribes, as an MEP in the European Parliament, to promote the Russian viewpoint during the Leave campaign. Taking Russian bribes, does that not make him a Traitor? At the very least it impacts the morality of the Leave campaign.

Wyllow3

cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/H9kmIH4Y gets you in

It's not a matter of opinion. The Tories lied about it- and the Dr/expert in charge corrected the lie and told the facts.

Nothing to debate here.

I hadnt even thought of that!

fancythat

Out of interest, how many people here think there will be a referendum on the subject again, within say the 30 years?

I suppose it all depends if there is still an EU in any form in 30 years' time.

Surely it’s up to the buyer to make sure they spend on quality.

Well written lahlah65 I completely agree.

Claremont

There is something a bit weird about this thread on Levi's. Now I am quite prepared to accept that there are a few things which may be cheaper 'due to' Brexit- even though on balance, it has led to prices going up hugely.

But Levi's has nothing to do with the EU, apart that denim was first made in France for dockers (de Nimes). They are originally from San Francisco, and are made in USA, Mexico, China, Vietnam and Bangladesh.

Hi Claremont

This was an EU issue, all around the protection of trademarks, which are referred to in the OP. In the late 90s, Tesco started a campaign against Levi (and other premium US brands) who would not sell directly to them as a discount retailer. Tesco began to buy up Levis from third-party wholesalers outside of the US/EU (on the so-called grey market). Levi Strauss took Tesco to court, claiming an infringement of their trademark, which included the right to choose who to sell too etc.
UK courts referred the case to the European court of justice - their judgment was in favor of Levi, but they referred the case back to the UK High Court for the final decision.
In 2002 the UK high court upheld Levi Strauss's right to decide how its brand is distributed in Britain and at what cost.
Of course nobody could foresee the impact that the internet would have on retailing in the subsequent years. People could shop all over Europe without having to pay duties (through the Free Market) while enjoying all of the protection that came with knowing that if they bought something that said it was Levi, there was a very good chance that it was. That of course, is what we decided as a country that we would rather live without.
I am personally pleased to live in a country that respects and preserves the protection given to both manufacturers and consumers from trademarks and other legislation. Of course it adds a cost, I happen to think it’s a cost worth paying. But of course that’s just my opinion.

MayBee70

Onedaysoon

Wow, how rude, everyone is entitled to their opinion without the personal attacks!

But we’re debating truth versus fiction, not personal opinions. Something is either true or it is a lie. And just repeating a lie constantly ( eg Johnson’s claim re the vaccination programme which he repeated in parliament over and over again) doesn’t make it true.

Agreed, and these are not 'personal attacks' , this is a robust discussion, and nobody is being rude. Maybe have a read through a few threads before jumping in with both feet? Just to see how we do things here?

Onedaysoon

Wow, how rude, everyone is entitled to their opinion without the personal attacks!

But we’re debating truth versus fiction, not personal opinions. Something is either true or it is a lie. And just repeating a lie constantly ( eg Johnson’s claim re the vaccination programme which he repeated in parliament over and over again) doesn’t make it true.

Or maybe say 20?

Personally, I am not convinced there will ever be one on the subject ever again.
Time, life, circumstances, people and Politics and their MPs all move on.

I also dont think the Uk will have a referendum on anything at all, within 40 years.

tootsiehughie

Your comment bit ambiguous. Do you support Trump????

Is this question relevant to a discussion on Brexit and the EU? Or is it an ambiguous use-anywhere post which you throw into any conversation to make trouble? This is your first-ever post on Gransnet. Are you going to tell us anything about YOUR views on Trump (or anything else) and chatting about it, or are you just here to either 1) bully us into supporting Trump, or 2) Bully us into not supporting Trump ?

Out of interest, how many people here think there will be a referendum on the subject again, within say the 30 years?

Hear hear! Brexit was a self imposed disaster.

tootsiehughie

Your comment bit ambiguous. Do you support Trump????

Who? Me? Think you may be on the wrong thread. If not, I can assure you there is nothing ambiguous about my opinion of Trump!

Wow, how rude, everyone is entitled to their opinion without the personal attacks!

Your comment bit ambiguous. Do you support Trump????

Any apologies for the misinformation?

^The UK could have followed the same course of vaccine aThe UK could have followed the same course of vaccine action if it were an EU memberction if it were an EU member.

We were still an EU member. We were in the transition period and still bound by EU regulations. WE didn't leave until the end of December 2020. All the vaccine development and the roll out occurred before we actually left.
Just because Johnson lied and lied about it being because of Brexit doesn't make it true.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/comment/covid-vaccine-decisions-brexit

*Covid vaccine decisions have little to do with Brexit
Brexit isn’t the reason why the UK has managed the feat of becoming the first Western country to approve a Covid vaccine*

This article is very good as it examines all the why's and wherefores factors for both the UK and the EU getting and using vaccines. It does point out The UK could have followed the same course of vaccine action if it were an EU member as EU members were free to take their own path.

"Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”.

The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them