Yippee! Starmer embraces BREXIT freedoms! ✔️

Yes, she was on the telly, I remember it well!

Found it. Only took 2 minutes:

The biggest vaccine campaign in NHS history kicked off this morning, as 90-year-old grandmother Margaret Keenan became the first person in the world to receive the Pfizer COVID-19 jab following its clinical approval.8 Dec 2020
www.england.nhs.uk
Landmark moment as first NHS patient receives COVID-19 vaccination.

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Goodnight all. 💤

I think you are mis-remembering Claremont about the Covid vaccines.
Brexit came first.
Boris got in.
Then the pandemic.
Then the vaccines. I remember that woman on tv getting the first ever jag on tv. Just before December 2020.
I must look up her name and the details.
Tomorrow maybe.
I’m tired now & off to read my Kindle.

Claremont

We do remember Boris and Covid jabs- and we also remember that we were able to get them so early because we were part of the EU and before Brexit. Don't you remember that bit.
And that we paid a lot more for them than the EU who bought much larger amounts together much cheaper, and very quickly caught up.

Yes. He made out that we wouldn't've been able to vaccinate people if we'd still been in the EU which was untrue. And lets not forget that one of the first things we lost due to brexit was the medicines agency that relocated to Amsterdam losing us jobs and prestige [ we said this would happen but were ignored; it was our local Conservative party that warned us about it].

Elegran

What a misleading title for a thread. It should have read "Some people want Starmer to allow into the country the cheap rubbish goods that the EU was keeping out"

Clickbait!

👏👏

DT
beginning to mean
DT

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a reminder of the official disclaimer re the vaccines.

We have friends who owned a jeans factory in the UK years ago.

We do remember Boris and Covid jabs- and we also remember that we were able to get them so early because we were part of the EU and before Brexit. Don't you remember that bit.
And that we paid a lot more for them than the EU who bought much larger amounts together much cheaper, and very quickly caught up.

There is something a bit weird about this thread on Levi's. Now I am quite prepared to accept that there are a few things which may be cheaper 'due to' Brexit- even though on balance, it has led to prices going up hugely.

But Levi's has nothing to do with the EU, apart that denim was first made in France for dockers (de Nimes). They are originally from San Francisco, and are made in USA, Mexico, China, Vietnam and Bangladesh.

Tesco’s/Levi’s Elegran.
Nothing to do with cheap inflammable rubbish at all and much more to do with divergence from EU protectionism. They are indeed past masters at that, sometimes (more obviously nowadays in fast changing industries) to their own detriment. Glad we’ve cut the ropes that bind us in so many ways. Makes us more nimble.

Remember Boris and the Covid jabs?
Remember Ursula von de Leyen threatening N.I. with Article 50 over the EU debacle and scramble for vaccine? She backed down within 48 hours however IIRC.

MayBee70

M0nica

Nine or 10 years is neither here not there. But once time starts passing any extraction process needs to take account of all that has happened in world affairs since the vote, and 9 years out, with all the dramatic events we are dealing with at present. The referendum and the fact that we are out of the EU is just part of the background to dealing with the much more present problems posed by Ukraine, Trump, Putin, climate change and I would expect any effective governemnt to see those as the prime issues and that brexit, as an issue, has had its day. history.

Anything a country does that has such a great impact on it and its peoples should take into account unforeseen events. At the end of the day, if the EU had done any of the things that vote leave threatened eg European army, Turkey joining, we could have then left.

Personally I dont think things happened, precisely because we left.

Which also in turn, frightened some other countries as well, into considering leaving.

What a misleading title for a thread. It should have read "Some people want Starmer to allow into the country the cheap rubbish goods that the EU was keeping out"

Clickbait!

Claremont

It was all lies, to influence the vote, we all know it now.

Just a quote from Carole Cadwalladr

'Trump and Brexit are not tow different things. They are the same thing. Same Companies. Same data. Same FaceBook. Same Russians. Same Cabridge Analytica. Same Robert Mercer. Same Steve Bannon. Same Breitbart. Same Alexander Nix. Same Donald Trump. Same Nigel Farage'

Precisely. Why does anyone think that someone so involved with Trump, Bannon etc will put the interests of the British people first. Why can’t people see that ?

It was all lies, to influence the vote, we all know it now.

Just a quote from Carole Cadwalladr

'Trump and Brexit are not tow different things. They are the same thing. Same Companies. Same data. Same FaceBook. Same Russians. Same Cabridge Analytica. Same Robert Mercer. Same Steve Bannon. Same Breitbart. Same Alexander Nix. Same Donald Trump. Same Nigel Farage'

M0nica

Nine or 10 years is neither here not there. But once time starts passing any extraction process needs to take account of all that has happened in world affairs since the vote, and 9 years out, with all the dramatic events we are dealing with at present. The referendum and the fact that we are out of the EU is just part of the background to dealing with the much more present problems posed by Ukraine, Trump, Putin, climate change and I would expect any effective governemnt to see those as the prime issues and that brexit, as an issue, has had its day. history.

Anything a country does that has such a great impact on it and its peoples should take into account unforeseen events. At the end of the day, if the EU had done any of the things that vote leave threatened eg European army, Turkey joining, we could have then left.

Claremont

Much better to fight all those issues together, as a Continent of allies, rather than isolated and torn between the two.

I think the problems arose as the original ideals pre-EU became subsumed but then lost in ever-increasing bureaucracy which became cumbersome and counter-productive.
An Economic Union was fine. I remember when questions were asked about Gordon Brown's reluctance to sign the Treaty of Lisbon and many politicians of both sides have been hesitant of ever-closer ties. The Irish, too, were reluctant and held another referendum on that issue.

I think we do need closer union, especially today in such uncertain times; it depends what form that should take.

Brexit is neither done nor dusted as long as the EU remains the largest trading block in the world with which we do more trade than anywhere else.

Wheniwasyourage

What always makes me wonder about those who say that we should realise that Brexit is 'done' (it isn't by any standard) and 'get over it' is that some of them never 'got over' the original vote to join what became the EU. Double standards perhaps?

I voted remain and was disappointed the leave vote won, but need to correct you Wheniwasyourage. There wasn't an initial vote to join the EU (parliament alone decided that) but there was a vote later as to whether or not to remain in the union. Labour promised in its manifesto that if elected it would hold a vote on whether or not to remain. That vote was substantially in favour of remaining.

Claremont

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Why on earth was this deleted?

Much better to fight all those issues together, as a Continent of allies, rather than isolated and torn between the two.

Nine or 10 years is neither here not there. But once time starts passing any extraction process needs to take account of all that has happened in world affairs since the vote, and 9 years out, with all the dramatic events we are dealing with at present. The referendum and the fact that we are out of the EU is just part of the background to dealing with the much more present problems posed by Ukraine, Trump, Putin, climate change and I would expect any effective governemnt to see those as the prime issues and that brexit, as an issue, has had its day. history.

Cossy

If only Brexit was done and dusted! As I’ve said before Brexit wasn’t done, we were done by Brexit!

Johnson never expected to win which is why he was crestfallen when he actually did because it was all based on lies and unachievable. And yet still it is the elephant in the room because nobody will admit to have been taken in by the lies.

It is also becoming clearer by the day that Brexit was linked to Russia and Poutine, in cohoots with some of our own - in order to begin the destabilisation of Europe, to divide and rule.

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vegansrock

Brexit is not just something in the past we should forget about and never speak of again since the economic act of self harm - a country putting economic sanctions on itself - have lead to an extra shock to the economy in addition to those shocks such as the pandemic and wars we are still suffering from whether we are aware of it or not. You might as well say any historic event should be discounted and not remarked on - let’s forget the First World War or the General Strike as major events. And , yes, people do still talk about the 1966 World Cup which had far less effect on the country and its citizens.

I didn't say it should be forgotten about or never spoken of again but it is a tiny blip in the rich tapestry of history, of our relationship with Europe.

We could start embroidering a Dover tapestry, that might help with some of the still-present feelings.