Mike Amesbury, suspended Labour MP

Exactly love dogs. That’s what the party expect and he should do it

Ilovedogs22

He should do the honourable thing and fall on his sword!
We don't want people like him inveigeling his way into politics.
It's bad enough already.
Sling yer hook you obnoxious little man. 😗

Yes, but we already know he is not an honourable man, so, of course he will cling to his seat and the money.

It won't be the end of his career.
He clearly did not expect a custodial sentence, and is due to appeal today. He will probably serve only five weeks in prison, if sent, and his supporters will go into overdrive to get him re-elected, should the constituents force a by-election. He is a yob, but that appeals to certain people.

He will continue to stand as an independent MP, joining the increasing numbers on the back benches until the next election, and who can predict what will happen then.

The rules of parliament allow people to stand though eazybee., his offence hasn’t disbarred him. There is already at least one other MP still supported within a party who has committed a similar offence. The different with Amesbury is that he won’t be supported by any party, he will be on his own. His supporters, if they exist, would have to fund a campaign to get him re-elected. I can’t see that happening, but if it does, he is very unlikely to win.

Yes I know, Casdon.
A clear case for changing the rules.
Voters are changing their allegiance to a party at the drop of a hat.

AIBU to expect those who aspire to power (in the loosest sense) within society, who are in privileged positions and not infrequently stand to benefit personally but also in term of financial reward and status - that they should hold themselves to a higher standard ?
Answers on a postcard!

eazybee

It won't be the end of his career.
He clearly did not expect a custodial sentence, and is due to appeal today. He will probably serve only five weeks in prison, if sent, and his supporters will go into overdrive to get him re-elected, should the constituents force a by-election. He is a yob, but that appeals to certain people.

He will continue to stand as an independent MP, joining the increasing numbers on the back benches until the next election, and who can predict what will happen then.

What local supporters is the question? Not the local Labour Party.

His sentence has been suspended for 2 years on appeal.

eazybee

Yes I know, Casdon.
A clear case for changing the rules.
Voters are changing their allegiance to a party at the drop of a hat.

I’ve said for a long time that if an MP loses the party whip due to committing a crime, or defects to another party during the course of a parliament, there should be a by election. I don’t think what party they are from is relevant, it should be the same rule for everybody.

Delila

His sentence has been suspended for 2 years on appeal.

Will this make any difference?

This explains it.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05089/

I cant find if a suspended sentence is treated the same as a normal sentence, ie subject to Recall petitions.

His prison sentence has been suspended for two years, replaced with 200 hours community service.
So presumably this lout will be able to continue sitting as an Independent MP. An absolute disgrace.
He was clearly expecting this as he did not arrive at the earlier hearing with a case of clothes in preparation for prison,
Wonder who pulled the strings, because someone clearly has. The speed of hearing the appeal says it all.

Wyllow3

I cant find if a suspended sentence is treated the same as a normal sentence, ie subject to Recall petitions.

Treated the same:

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/how-elections-work/types-elections/recall-petitions

As I understand it, if this signals the end of the appeals process in respect of Amesbury, a recall petition can be triggered.

I don’t think it does necessarily mean that *eazybee, if you read the section in the attachment I posted, he falls under section 2 of the Conditions for Recall I believe. It’s up to his constituents to initiate that if they wish for him to be removed. Mind you, if you look at some of the seedy idiots who remained as independents in the last parliament, I don’t think constituents always act when they should.

It still means he’ll get his £91,000 or £93,000 salary until he ceases to be an MP.

Yes, there is no parliamentary provision to stop that. The rules need to change.

He can still represent his constituents as an independent unless they they decide they no longer want him. The Representation of the People takes priority now. He's served since 2017 and was relected with a huge majority last July. His Parliamentary record shows he fights on the social issues that many of us support.

I dont care whether he holds particular views on social justice issues, lots of horrible people hold opinions I agree with or do a lot for charity. He is a violent man, there are plenty of them around.

he is a violent man, there are plenty of them around

There are indeed Galaxy. There should be none in positions of power, eg MP

I agree with you Casdon, on your two most recent posts.

It’s a total disgrace that his sentence has been suspended.

Two tier sentencing yet again. Had it been a member of the public who beat him up, they would have got years not months and it would not be suspended.

No they wouldn't.

The maximum sentence for common assault is six months. A custodial sentence is unusual for a first offence.

The judge said the other party wasn't badly hurt and that is one of the considerations in sentencing. You can see in the video that the young women who went over were about to pull him to his feet when one suggested they let him rest for a moment.

I am not condoning the attacked but the law sets a tariff for the offence. The original judge gave the impression that the penalty would be lighter. Instead Amesbury will now carry out 200 hours of unpaid work, undertake a 120-day alcohol monitoring requirement, go on an anger management course and complete 20 days of rehabilitation work. That sounds more productive than being incarcerated.

It's not too tier policing its policing or sentencing by class. As if often the case.