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The problem with Donald Trump....

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HousePlantQueen Mon 24-Feb-25 15:04:18

This was written during Trump's previous period as POTUS, and I think it sums up, eloquently, just what it is that Brits ( and presumably other nationalities) dislike about him. It is worth a read.
Nate White
“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
#Donald Trump

imaround Wed 26-Feb-25 18:02:15

The United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a direct democracy. It was planned and built with a separation of powers at it's core.

The Constitution specifically separates the branches of Government and gives each different powers as stated in the Constitution. Any elected official must take an oath to uphold the Constitution while in office.

Legislative: Makes laws (Congress)
Executive: Enforces laws (President)
Judicial: Interprets laws (Courts)

Trump is trying to take power away from Congress and the Courts and concentrate it in the executive branch. It is unconstitutional and illegal.

Here in the US, we follow the Rule of Law. From the below link:

"The “rule of law” is the idea that a consistent, and evenly applied set of rules, rather than the arbitrary will of those in power, binds all the members of society. These laws must be made by proper procedures and published in advance of their enforcement.

The binding nature of law means everyone—not just citizens, but the government, its leaders and officials—must follow and obey the law. Indeed, lawmakers, judges, and officers of federal and state governments must take a specific oath to faithfully follow the U.S. Constitution."

Comparing Trump and the US and Starmer in the UK is like comparing apples to oranges. They are two completely different forms of Government and work vastly different.

As for "the majority" of voters choosing Trump. That is not true. More voters voted for different candidates than did for Trump. 29% of voters chose Trump. It was not a majority. It was not a mandate.

To learn more about how the US Constitution works:

civics.asu.edu/civic-literacy-curriculum/section1#:~:text=A%20constitutional%20republic%20means%20that,rules%20established%20in%20that%20Constitution.

Babs03 Wed 26-Feb-25 18:12:21

Yes it is very different imaround, and as far as I have been led to believe most Americans do not want anyone messing with the consitiution, certain amendments have been made but overall the constitution is not up for grabs by Trump or anyone else.

Iam64 Wed 26-Feb-25 18:54:52

Elegran

dickens This is why I believe that this is a political coup which could proceed to being a revolution unless it is halted by those checks and policies which Trump and Musk are in the process of dismantling.

As ever, Elegran uses the minimum words for maximum impact. I’m with you, Elegran, in seeing the behaviour of Trump and the unelected Musk as leading a political coup.

MayBee70 Wed 26-Feb-25 21:22:59

Just read that there’s a measles outbreak in Texas. I assume that people haven’t been vaccinating their children and there’s no herd immunity. And I think they now how a health minister who’s anti vacc which won’t help matters.

Babs03 Wed 26-Feb-25 21:44:54

MayBee70

Just read that there’s a measles outbreak in Texas. I assume that people haven’t been vaccinating their children and there’s no herd immunity. And I think they now how a health minister who’s anti vacc which won’t help matters.

Measles is super contagious so I imagine that soon there will be countless children catching measles, and if vaccination programmes are not rolled out for children over the age of one there will be more preventable deaths. Even those who don’t die can become blind or deaf.
If the health minister is advising non vaccinations of children he is signing some children’s death warrants.

Babs03 Wed 26-Feb-25 21:49:53

Apparently Trump’s latest statement has been that the EU was formed to screw the US. Well that will be news to brexiters they think it was formed to screw the UK.
Whatever Trump says sounds like the mouthing off of a pub bore, the sort you find propping up the bar putting the world to rights. Funnily enough he doesn’t drink, so this is him sober. 🙄

Casdon Wed 26-Feb-25 22:07:45

I wonder at what point it will dawn on him that people will just stop buying US goods, because that’s what will increasingly happen?

imaround Wed 26-Feb-25 22:12:04

Yes, it is reported that over 130 children in Texas has measles and one child has died. It is spreading into New Mexico. Personally, in a local group that I am in, I am seeing chicken pox!

This is so preventable. I am thankful that my children are grown and are fully vaccinated. Unfortunately, they herd immunity is so low in places, even vaccinated people are getting the viruses, although a much milder case.

RFKjr is downplaying the severity of the outbreak.

Also, bird flu has been classified as endemic in cows. Trump is talking about a vaccine that was approved, of course MAGA doesn't like that.

I heard Trump was aiming at the EU and blamed them for Russia invading Ukraine today.

petra Wed 26-Feb-25 22:17:09

Casdon

I wonder at what point it will dawn on him that people will just stop buying US goods, because that’s what will increasingly happen?

The sale of Tesla cars has dropped 45% in the past year ( in Europe) share price is falling, Yeh 👏👏👏👏

Babs03 Wed 26-Feb-25 22:25:52

“I heard Trump was aiming at the EU and blamed them for Russia invading Ukraine today.”

I wonder how long it will be before the allies if the US get so pee’ed off with Trump’s John Wayne approach to them that they enter into grudge wars, hiking up tariffs on whatever they sell to the US and boycotting US goods.
I just don’t think that hostile remarks vomited out with tedious regularity is doing much for future diplomacy.
Seems only Putin gets an easy ride.

Babs03 Wed 26-Feb-25 22:26:41

Correction - allies of the US

imaround Wed 26-Feb-25 22:36:11

That is already happening from Canada Babs.

There was a memo released today by Office of Budget Management (John Voght the Project 2025 architect) that told all departments to plan for mass layoffs on March 13th.

The federal government is only funded through March 13th, I believe.

Are they planning on a Government shut down? Are they planning for the R budget to get passed?

Trump said he is looking at both the House and the Senate bill and will decide which one he likes better, though that isn't how any of this works. Again. confused

Dickens Wed 26-Feb-25 22:36:28

Babs03

“I heard Trump was aiming at the EU and blamed them for Russia invading Ukraine today.”

I wonder how long it will be before the allies if the US get so pee’ed off with Trump’s John Wayne approach to them that they enter into grudge wars, hiking up tariffs on whatever they sell to the US and boycotting US goods.
I just don’t think that hostile remarks vomited out with tedious regularity is doing much for future diplomacy.
Seems only Putin gets an easy ride.

I wonder if his rage-tantrums against Europe will damage international tourism - it's quite a large industry?

Allira Wed 26-Feb-25 23:16:55

petra

Casdon

I wonder at what point it will dawn on him that people will just stop buying US goods, because that’s what will increasingly happen?

The sale of Tesla cars has dropped 45% in the past year ( in Europe) share price is falling, Yeh 👏👏👏👏

There was an item about energy and energy companies on the news tonight, one woman was shown who was enthusiastic about storing the energy from, I think, her heat pump, in a huge battery.
Shs claimed that her energy bills had dropped from £170 to £100 per month. The battery had TESLA written across it.

I thought that I'd rather wrap myself in a blanket than buy a Tesla product.

imaround Thu 27-Feb-25 00:41:15

I've been to the mall twice this week, despite my objections to going. Both times we use certain hand gestures as we wall by the store.

It helps nothing, but at least we feel better for a few minutes. grin

Arto1s Thu 27-Feb-25 06:39:18

I am a big fan of your Katie Hopkins. So you know where I stand.

Arto1s Thu 27-Feb-25 06:42:59

Trump is amazing. We need him. He’s here working for us, the people. And JD Vance is a great VP.

Arto1s Thu 27-Feb-25 07:03:43

PLEASE watch Fox News. You will see videos that cannot be denied.

Casdon Thu 27-Feb-25 07:10:21

Fox News is a Murdoch family outlet Artols.

Arto1s Thu 27-Feb-25 07:24:36

And your point is?

Arto1s Thu 27-Feb-25 07:26:48

Trump is our President. Get over it.

Babs03 Thu 27-Feb-25 07:30:48

@Artols, nobody is getting over it, that is the nature of politics, people don’t get over it and instead spend time analysing and debating the situation. So perhaps you should get over it and accept this.

Babs03 Thu 27-Feb-25 07:34:02

Arto1s

I am a big fan of your Katie Hopkins. So you know where I stand.

Indeed I do.
And with that one statement I can see exactly why you support Trump.

LaCrepescule Thu 27-Feb-25 07:35:54

We won’t get over it. Because he’s screwing the rest of the world. The tinpot dictator in one of the most powerful countries on earth.
Bab03 is spot on, a man without intelligence, empathy and totally lacking in human decency. His recent comment about the EU is the latest in a long line of idiotic and vile misinformation.
I for one will be boycotting US goods and thank God I don’t own a Tesla.

Casdon Thu 27-Feb-25 07:43:33

Arto1s

And your point is?

My point is that this isn’t a site where people accept what is said by the media, of whatever persuasion they are, at face value. You believe what you want, but don’t expect other people to swallow a biased viewpoint without questioning it.