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Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Government

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Indigo8 Wed 26-Feb-25 09:48:14

This is the ultimate form of racism.

Oreo Wed 26-Feb-25 09:47:47

You can despair if it happened as an action ( as opposed to words said in anger) but it won’t.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 26-Feb-25 09:47:28

Oreo I hope you are correct, as Claremonts posts have chilled me to the bone.

Indigo8 Wed 26-Feb-25 09:46:32

Utterly indefensible. Not quite 80 years after the end of WWII. Just over 80 years since the liberation of the concentration camps.

It just shows that history teaches us nothing. I despair.

Oreo Wed 26-Feb-25 09:44:31

Well Claremont it’s badly translated but I get the drift.
There are a few in the Knesset who are really hardline and as extreme in their views after what happened Oct 7th as their enemies are.That doesn’t mean for one moment that there are plans to carry out similar actions, just that they allow and understand that a few feel that way and they want to speak out.
Calm logic will prevail.

Claremont Wed 26-Feb-25 09:41:53

''The deputy speaker also said the city of Jenin in the occupied West Bank will soon turn into Gaza as Israel is ramping up its assault there. He said Palestinians being freed from Israeli jails as part of the Gaza hostage and ceasefire deal should be put in Jenin so they could be “eliminated” later on.

“Erase Jenin. Don’t start looking for the terrorists – if there’s a terrorist in the house, take him down, tell the women and children to get out,” Vaturi said.

Last year, Vaturi claimed there were “no innocents” in Gaza and called for the entire place to be “burned down” so Israeli soldiers wouldn’t get hurt.

“What does it mean to burn? To go in and rip them apart. There should be no thoughts, no considerations. The soldiers of the IDF should not think for one second and be hurt because we need to be humane,” Vaturi said.

Actually in Government sitting, as Deputy Speaker.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 26-Feb-25 09:37:57

If this is as you have posted, I am appalled, and utterly lost for words.

Up till now I have supported Israel’s right to defend its citizens and to attack those who wish to destroy or harm them.

Claremont Wed 26-Feb-25 09:32:25

Full text from Ron Gerlitz, translated from Hebrew

''Advocate Kinneret Brashi is a journalist, close to the prime minister and comes to court time after time to support Netanyahu. After the shocking release of Eli Sharabi from Hamas captives, who indeed looks like a Holocaust survivor, she explicitly called * To kill all Gazans, from babies to old people *. See the picture in this post. There is no other way to interpret this because there is nothing to interpret. It's a direct call to total genocide. How did the Prime Minister respond to this call of his associate? In the silence.

Member of Parliament Nissim Vatori from the Likud is Deputy Speaker of the Knesset. Yesterday he called to kill all the elderly men in Gaza "the children and women must be separated and the adults in Gaza must be eliminated". Another explicit call for genocide. This time from the heart of the ruling party. How did the Prime Minister react to this call by the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset from his party? In the silence.

Benny Morris wrote an article a few weeks ago with an incomprehensible headline "With israel already deep in the loop leading to the annihilation of a nation, deep in the process of training the hearts." For several nights and days I found it difficult to recover from this article. He opened like this: israel is not committing genocide in Gaza... There is no genocidal policy of the government, there is no decision of the leaders to commit genocide, there is no intentional intention to exterminate the Palestinians, and there are no orders from the government to the army or the army chiefs to the ranks that operate to kill the Palestinians... But the genocide may be on the way. With israel maybe on the way there, already deep in the loop leading to the annihilation of a nation, deep in the process of training the hearts. ".

And then he describes the processes in society in Israel that can lead to a genocide of the Palestinians, and in the end also describes the scenario where this can happen "An inciting act would be - a raid or raids on settlements with multiple casualties, downing of an Israeli passenger plane... - And then the genocide will come, on the surface of cities from the air, without any distinction or attempt to distinguish between citizens and armed or in... "And more words that I simply can't quote from his article because they horrify me."

Benny Morris is one of the greatest experts on conflict and scenario-shaping that can lead to genocide. Have a read, link in the comments.
Flammable substances are here. Meron Report Meron Rapoport published an article today with the title "Israelis are no longer ashamed to demand extermination" (link in comments). He explains what leads to the conversation that reads and supports genocide. He claims, and in my opinion rightly, that the fact that Hamas is on its feet, the horrible cruelty of Hamas, the horrible and cruel rituals of abuse of bodies and kidnappers awakens the demons threats of supporting extermination.

He ends like this "although ethnic cleansing has become a method of operation... Until now he has failed. israel destroyed Gaza, but the Palestinians did not leave it; and the Palestinians who were forced to leave their homes in Jenin, Nur Shams or Tulkram, do not abandon the West Bank. The talk of extermination is primarily the result of anger and frustration, and not a plan of action. But the statements of Vatori, Brashi, Yefat Klein and many others prepare the mental ground for movements that until October 7 no one has dared to talk out loud about. And it's dangerous, very dangerous. "
And it's indeed very dangerous.

And Netanyahu is indifferent to the discussion of annihilation and thus normalizes it. Both this stain will be his legacy and we will never forgive him for that.
And in the face of the horrific process of normalizing calls for genocide, the Liberal Democratic camp must do an act that must begin immediately, but immediately, in the face of legitimizing and total boycott of genocide callers. At the minimum of the minimum all members of the Knesset of the opposition, and also those of the coalition that have any human or Jewish value left, must leave the hall when the Member of Parliament and actors conduct meetings or speaker, and not agree to participate in any event that one of the so-called genocide participates in. The boycott and total legitimacy of those who want Israel to follow the path of the nazis.

We should also hope that the judicial systems in the countries of the world will stop an investigation and prosecute everyone who calls for genocide. It's best that they start with a member of parliament and Atori.
But they cannot and must not be trusted. We are still in the midst of a terrible disaster and mutual slaughtering of us and the Palestinians. Everything must be done to get out of this disaster, that the life-hating and death-loving leaders on the Israeli and Palestinian side have led us to.

And we also have a moral duty. We swore never again. In the greatest nightmares of our historical consciousness we did not realize that in society in Israel and under the sponsorship of the ruling party the calling for genocide will normalize.,,

Claremont Wed 26-Feb-25 09:28:17

Response from a Jewish Israeli

''We swore never again. As Jews, as humans, as the descendants of the murdered. And there is no pleasant way to write it: in the country of israel founded by the people who were victims of the most brutal genocide in history, these days the idea of genocide is normalized. Sponsored by and from the ruling party.''

Cossy Wed 26-Feb-25 09:28:08

Well, he’s a lovely man!

Nothing new there, the Israeli govt (not the people) are as bad as Hamas. Both want to entirely wipe out the others population. Disgusting!

Claremont Wed 26-Feb-25 09:25:34

Ramy Abdul oJuc Goly Breaking: Statements by the Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset: "*Palestinians in Gaza are outcasts, and no one in the world wants them. Women and children should be separated, and adults should be eliminated*."