Kowtowing to Trump

Parsley3

BBC News - www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c625ex282zzt
Trump tells Zelensky 'make a deal or we're out' in angry White House meeting - follow live - BBC News
I put this on another thread but it is worth repeating. Trump and Vance showing who they are.

Absolutely disgustingly evil pair..

I bet Starmer felt pretty nauseous too, but he did what he needed to do. No one else apart from Trump thinks this is really a great honour. the King and Queen will be utterly charming and it will make Trump look like the complete a...h... that he is. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear whatever "honour" you offer him. The Royal family have spent their lives shaking hands with vile people in high places, it's what we pay them for.

I think the State visit invitation should be revoked,it has become impossible to carry on with the fantasy that we have a “special relationship” with the US.

Watching Starmer give Trump a personal invitation from King Charles was nauseating .
I felt extremely sorry for Zelensky .

eazybee

^What great PR from Starmer. ^

Words fail me.

What would you have wanted Starmer to do?

What great PR from Starmer.

Words fail me.

Hardly. More like playing him
What great PR from Starmer.
Keep your friends close etc

BBC News - www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c625ex282zzt
Trump tells Zelensky 'make a deal or we're out' in angry White House meeting - follow live - BBC News
I put this on another thread but it is worth repeating. Trump and Vance showing who they are.

Well we have just witnessed how Trump and Vance behave if challenged. Zelensky pushed back politely and was treated shamefully. What a disgraceful performance! What a vile bullying pair! Starmer did a great job, he made Trump look like an 8 year old whilst being polite, diplomatic but still addressing the points made by Trump that he needed to.

Trump is clearly insane, I've realised this for some time. I also have no sympathy for those voters who have come to realise they voted for the wrong person. Live with it.

We should remember that what Trump says today, he may well have forgotten tomorrow, regardless of whether it was said on air or not.
Nothing has really been achieved until it happens is how I feel.

Barleyfields

It does indeed. But if it gets us a good trade deal so be it. The King is used to dealing with unpleasant heads of state. He will think of the greater good and grin and bear it, as did the late Queen.

But when the PM does exactly that you agree with Primrose that he’s brown-nosing and being a creep? How does that work then?

Starmer showed he wasn't taking any nonsense when Vance tried to say that the Uk had no freedom of speech. He answered at once, quite sharply. He is used to standing up in court and giving as good as he gets - when it is appropriate and useful.

Casdon

People who are criticising Starmer on this thread are out of line with the media perception of the visit. Even Beth Rigby on Sky, who is as anti Starmer as a political commentator can be, has choked on her coffee and acknowledged he did well.
Hey Ho, I expected no less.

I haen seen it all in full but what I did see I thought was a great exercise in diplomacy.

And the invitation from King Charles for a State visit was just a masterstroke, just brilliant!
Playing a trump card.

It does indeed. But if it gets us a good trade deal so be it. The King is used to dealing with unpleasant heads of state. He will think of the greater good and grin and bear it, as did the late Queen.

One of the first things in my inbox this morning was a petition to stop the state visit. Much as I despise Trump I didn't sign. King Charles and Sir Keir Starmer are both doing what they have to do in the circumstances. I doubt either of them are entirely happy about it but they are putting our country's interests first and biting their tongues when necessary!

I did notice that there was some 'cosying' from Trump too. He called King Charles a beautiful man and told Starmer that with his wonderful accent he could have been Potus 40 years ago.
Flattery on both sides.

Exactly what I thought....I kinda get it as it was playing on his huge ego to get what he wants! The king must have felt sick having to invite him...again!! Great display was made of this is 'unprecedented' referring to full 2nd State Visit and King meeting him at either borders or Balmoral as well...how galling that must be...Of course it will be Balmoral. All playing to to Trump's narcissim... but if it works I get it but like you makes me want to throw up!

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

I can’t help feeling that the judgement of the world media is a better guide of how well he did than personal opinions.

We will only know in the fullness of time whether or not KS did a good job.

The media, like us can only commentate on what they have seen and/or heard.

I think the world and its wife knows by now that DT changes his mind more often than most people change their underwear, he is unpredictable and in my humble opinion he enjoys the power he has over others as a result of his predictability.

I agree, Trump is completely unpredictable. The media can only judge on the basis of what they see and hear - I still think their perceptions have somewhat more credibility than our individual opinions though, particularly in this instance the US media, who spend their lives second guessing what Trump et al are doing and planning.

Sorry last word should read unpredictability

Casdon

I can’t help feeling that the judgement of the world media is a better guide of how well he did than personal opinions.

We will only know in the fullness of time whether or not KS did a good job.

The media, like us can only commentate on what they have seen and/or heard.

I think the world and its wife knows by now that DT changes his mind more often than most people change their underwear, he is unpredictable and in my humble opinion he enjoys the power he has over others as a result of his predictability.

Barleyfields

The world media consists of personal opinions.

Which add up to a positive or negative view, which is broadcast to the world. People listen to the media.

The world media consists of personal opinions.

I can’t help feeling that the judgement of the world media is a better guide of how well he did than personal opinions.

Totally agree G.G13! Same principle as, Always be courteous to people in the way up as you could possibly meet them on the way down!