Kowtowing to Trump

I just hope Starmer has helped smooth the way a little for Zelenskyy today.
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Britain had to pay back American aid during the Second World War I believe.
I agree about the sickening smarming display from Starmer to Trump. The cut in foreign aid was calculated to boost his ratings before he abased himself in America.

This is a quote from Keir Starmer after Boris Johnson met him during POTUS Trump’s last term

An endorsement from Donald Trump tells you everything you need to know about what is wrong with Boris Johnson’s politics and why he isn’t fit to be Prime Minister

You can never please people! If Starmer had messed up - and that wouldn't be hard with Trump - I can just imagine the criticism doled out on here.

It's called diplomacy folks. Relations established. He made his point on US back up re Ukraine, Gaza 2 state solution, tariff discussions. How much impact re Ukraine, we can't know.

As far as I'm concerned its so far so good.

Perhaps a critic would like to say what Starmer should have one instead? I

Should have done

We have to work with the odious Mr Trump- until he's ousted by his " subjects".
Here's hoping...

Wyllow3

You can never please people! If Starmer had messed up - and that wouldn't be hard with Trump - I can just imagine the criticism doled out on here.

It's called diplomacy folks. Relations established. He made his point on US back up re Ukraine, Gaza 2 state solution, tariff discussions. How much impact re Ukraine, we can't know.

As far as I'm concerned its so far so good.

Perhaps a critic would like to say what Starmer should have one instead? I

I agree, quite frankly he should be praised for being able to be that diplomatic. I doubt if many others could be. I certainly couldn’t. Poor Charles having to host Trump, chalk and cheese personalities.

People who are criticising Starmer on this thread are out of line with the media perception of the visit. Even Beth Rigby on Sky, who is as anti Starmer as a political commentator can be, has choked on her coffee and acknowledged he did well.
Hey Ho, I expected no less.

In world diplomacy you’ve to play the hand you’ve got. And Starmer played his cards very well imo. With any luck Trump is still in a good mood and President Zelensky’s day’s been made just a little bit easier. I’m sure KS had to take a very long shower afterwards.

I’d love to have been a fly on the wall when Starmer suggested the state visit to the King. Also, when Camilla got to hear about it.

Wyllow3 I totally understand that we have to work with other leaders/governments with different views to ourselves.

So far the PM seems to have avoided tariffs which the USA is throwing out like poisoned sweeties.

With that in mind maybe when in opposition our MP’s should remember this, when making the most derogatory remarks about other leaders.

A fair few of the current front bench of the Labour Party have in the past made public their opinions on POTUS Trump and these are being used against them in the media, along with being brought up in any interviews undertaken by them.

Of course Trump wanted his State visit. He’s a shallow narcissist. We knew an invitation would be forthcoming so there’s no brownie points for Starmer in that. It remains to be seen how Trump will treat the UK after he’s had his ego stroked with pomp and pageantry. He wouldn’t queer his pitch before that. I wouldn’t trust him an inch.

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I do not wish to see this Labour government mess up, as if it does the U.K. will fail as will the majority of its citizens.

Barleyfields you have hit the nail firmly on its head!

Barleyfields

Of course Trump wanted his State visit. He’s a shallow narcissist. We knew an invitation would be forthcoming so there’s no brownie points for Starmer in that. It remains to be seen how Trump will treat the UK after he’s had his ego stroked with pomp and pageantry. He wouldn’t queer his pitch before that. I wouldn’t trust him an inch.

Surely only a fool would trust Trump Barleyfields. It was no surprise that he even denied he had called Zelensky a dictator - and that was only a week ago.

Casdon

People who are criticising Starmer on this thread are out of line with the media perception of the visit. Even Beth Rigby on Sky, who is as anti Starmer as a political commentator can be, has choked on her coffee and acknowledged he did well.
Hey Ho, I expected no less.

Every single headline in fact was a "did well"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99nnkgk3g9o

The proof of the pudding lies in the eating.

Well in general the media are way way out of line with what people are thinking.

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3 I totally understand that we have to work with other leaders/governments with different views to ourselves.

So far the PM seems to have avoided tariffs which the USA is throwing out like poisoned sweeties.

With that in mind maybe when in opposition our MP’s should remember this, when making the most derogatory remarks about other leaders.

A fair few of the current front bench of the Labour Party have in the past made public their opinions on POTUS Trump and these are being used against them in the media, along with being brought up in any interviews undertaken by them.

The world situation now has somewhat opened my eyes.

Trump has much power currently.

The EU has been exposed as a lot weaker than I thought.

The Uk is weaker on the world stage than I thought.

Eu and Uk defence systems weak.

People, even GNs, change their minds on things quite substantially, when world circumstances change,

The one question I havent worked out yet is, is the old system of Germany not being allowed, or wanting to be, strong on defence, still standing?
Or has that all changed now as well?

We have to remember that Trump is, whatever the opinion of anyone in any other country, the elected head of State of the USA. Heads of state (or their representatives) have to talk to one another on subjects that affect both their countries - and also of other countries and the relations with them.

If Starmer had walked into the White House looking angry and told Trump to stop it this minute and do what Starmer ordered him to, what do you think Trump would have done? I predict that he would have stomped his little feet, had a 4th grade strop and done the exact opposite, with knobs on.

Sttarmer charmed him into a reasonable agreement, as an adult does, from a position of his own experience and intelligence. Anything else would have achieved nothing. King Charles will do the same. Their style is not the same as Trump's. No need to copy him.

Casdon

Barleyfields

Of course Trump wanted his State visit. He’s a shallow narcissist. We knew an invitation would be forthcoming so there’s no brownie points for Starmer in that. It remains to be seen how Trump will treat the UK after he’s had his ego stroked with pomp and pageantry. He wouldn’t queer his pitch before that. I wouldn’t trust him an inch.

Surely only a fool would trust Trump Barleyfields. It was no surprise that he even denied he had called Zelensky a dictator - and that was only a week ago.

Of course Trump isn't trustable - you work with whats in front of you tho. No choice. Would make me sick to sit down with him too.

Again, critics, what should Starmer have done differently?

I know it’s called Diplomacy but I could not bring myself to see Starmer cosying up to —that duplicitous git— Trump on the News last night.
Yes, I cringed too.

Galaxy

Well in general the media are way way out of line with what people are thinking.

Who are ‘people’?

People in general are moving away from MSM, and certainly have less trust in them. Its partly what happened in the states, and particularly applies to the way young people access information.

Wyllow3

You can never please people! If Starmer had messed up - and that wouldn't be hard with Trump - I can just imagine the criticism doled out on here.

It's called diplomacy folks. Relations established. He made his point on US back up re Ukraine, Gaza 2 state solution, tariff discussions. How much impact re Ukraine, we can't know.

As far as I'm concerned its so far so good.

Perhaps a critic would like to say what Starmer should have one instead? I

Absolutely!